Different ammo in a CCW firearm a problem?

[c good]

I was just thinking about this....maybe overthinking it but.....If I include a revolver on my CCW permit that is listed as a .357 caliber revolver, and I use .38 Special in it to qualify, or possibly have to use it in a self defense situation.....Is this a problem? Similarly, how about 10mm? I have a different barrel for my 29 Glock so I can use lower cost .40 S&W ammo when target training. Would either of these scenarios be a problem?

[Rumblemonkey]

I would agree, you are overthinking it! Following your logic, different ammo (other than what you qualified with) would not be allowed? I have heard the argument of "making a weapon more deadly" by using certain ammo, but I do not believe these arguments were found to be valid. Keep in mind there are my opinions, and I do not know $%it! I would further guess that certain "modifications" (your Glock change) could be a different animal. Changing sights or grips, is one thing, changing barrels, triggers, and other things after qualifying may be different for each IA. I suppose you could check with your IA for validation, or your CCW insurance agent. Again, I don't know anything, just my 2.5 cents!

[Citadelgrad87]

Cops don't carry ball ammo. People who claim carrying "hollow points" will somehow convert a good shoot into a bad one are misinformed.

[P5Ret]

The only potential issue would be shooting a qualification with the 40 barrel in the 29, but that will be dependent on the IA.

[Dvrjon]

So the premise is that your license says “.38 Special” and you shoot someone with a “.357M”? Conversely, your license says, “.357M” and you shoot somebody with a “.38 SP”?
Is there an unknown liability in that?

No.

However, if the license says, “10mm” and you turn it into a “.40SW” that gun isn’t on your license. You didn’t just change powder charge, you changed the gun.

[donalli]

To complicate things more and muddy the waters, every third round should be a tracer round

[Snoopy47]

I think everyone is in agreement about swapping the barrel on the Glock. That is a straight up change to the firearm.

As for the revolver............ is it annotated on the qualification certificate you are shooting 38SPL? Who is going to know? My qual instructors don't check the ammo.

If you want to carry a certain configuration and caliber make sure your DROS and Qual certificates match what you want to carry and what is annotated on your permit.

If you want a 10mm for certain then it's worth the money to just buy one from the factory that way.

[broadside]

My IA says you need to qualify with the calibers listed on the permit. So if you want to carry 38spcl or 357mag, then you test with both and list a single firearm as ".38spcl/.357magnum"

[Rumblemonkey]

Where is your IA?

[SDDAVE56]

My IA doesn't list what I qualify with. It's either Pass or Fail + a Background Check.

[jben]

In Mendocino, every time I've been through class/renewal the instructor has made people with multiple caliber revolvers qualify with each caliber.

[Ewok55]

I renewed a month ago in Kern. The class instructor said that you most qualify with and count the gun with each cartridge as a different firearm on your permit. If you have a 357 chambered revolver and want to carry both it and 38 special, you have to shoot both and use 2 spaces on the permit.

[tokuno]

I just re-qualified a Ruger GP100 using only 38 spl (mostly because I'm eliminating that chambering, it's cheaper, and I don't collect 38spl brass, so less fussing and delaying the class).
They told me to use either of the two calibers to qualify. The arm is listed on my renewal cert as a 357.
Last qual was also using 38spl - I've got a lot of 38 so the elimination is taking a while.
I listed it as a "maybe" backpacking/woods gun that I've never carried, but if I did, I'd take the Remington 357 Golden Sabers.

[Preston-CLB]

It makes sense to qualify with any caliber you plan to carry. For example, let's say you qualify with .357, but carry .38 spl one day and have an incident. Since you were not using/carrying the caliber listed on your permit, there would be grounds to have your permit revoked, and possibly exacerbated legal issues because you were not permitted to use the .38 spl.
-P

[Dvrjon]

My IA doesn't list what I qualify with. It's either Pass or Fail + a Background Check.

If your IA is in California, the statutes very clearly state that the IA has to list what you qualify on. Pass/Fail isn’t the issue.
[quote](i)(1) […] a license issued […] shall set forth the […] name of the manufacturer, the model, the serial number, and the caliber. […]

11 CCR 4401 provides specific visuals which require this information on the license. https://govt.westlaw.com/calregs/Document/I693648F0DD0E11EE8CD4B893119EDB3A?viewType=FullTex t&listSource=Search&originationContext=Search+Re su lt&transitionType=SearchItem&contextData=(sc.Sear c h)&navigationPath=Search%2Fv1%2Fresults%2Fnavigat i on%2Fi0a93a00a00000195379f7ba979c8d7fe%3Fppcid%3D5 9aa192d170a46a895b8b9850ae4c32a%26Nav%3DREGULATION _PUBLICVIEW%26fragmentIdentifier%3DI693648F0DD0E11 EE8CD4B893119EDB3A%26startIndex%3D1%26transitionTy pe%3DSearchItem%26contextData%3D%2528sc.Default%25 29%26originationContext%3DSearch%2520Result&list=R EGULATION_PUBLICVIEW&rank=5&t_querytext=CR(%22REGI STER+2024%22+%2B3+10)

Here’s the San Diego Sheriff’s Office site showing the certification letter for training. https://www.sdsheriff.gov/i-want-to/...your%20renewal!

The first page is truncated, but the site clearly states:

The front shows if you passed/failed, how many hours training you took and what firearms you qualified with.

So, how is it that your CA IA doesn’t list what you qualify on when they, by law, have to put the info on the license?