Adding guns to ccw

[BunnySlayer]

I truly appreciate your support, and look forward to advancing our cause such that we'll no longer require extensive analysis and debate to discern the nuances of when, where, and how we may exercise our rights; bearing arms for self-defense is, indeed, a fundamental right, and we all here seek to have that acknowledged and respected by our government.

-Brandon

This is the problem in a nutshell. The laws are vague, and open to "interpretation". What one Sheriff chooses to do, another may not. What would get you a CCW in Riverside, San Berdoo, won't fly in LA or OC. What one Department requires, another does not. That some of these things are "not up to code" matters little. If you do not jump through their hoops, you will be denied. Many of us are not spending the money and taking the time to do this just for fun, but because we really do have a need. Therefore we simply must do what we need to do. Hopefully Brandon, you and others like you, will get some sort of reform passed in California. How I do not know as I think parting the red sea with a sponge would be more realistic, given our rulers in Sacramento, but my hopes and support go with you nontheless.

[intradubio]

In Sac do they make you turn in your old permit when you come in for a modification or can you continue to use it until you receive the new one?

[Me1]

In Sac do they make you turn in your old permit when you come in for a modification or can you continue to use it until you receive the new one?

You keep your old permit, I just switched out the old for the new when it came in the mail.

[wildhawker]

I'll disagree with you in part. The laws, while somewhat out of order and illogically framed together, are really clear on the standard process that all licensing authorities must use. The problem, really, is an institutional one: it's been "this way" for so long, with no challenges to the system, that these unlawful local rules have become the accepted (or at least expected) norm. The issue runs deep; it's not just the licensing authorities that push back against reform, but license-holders and potential applicants afraid that we'll somehow upset the apple cart and cause the entire state to simply fall away into "no-issue land".

If we need to require a judge to "interpret" the laws for the licensing authorities, we'll happily do so. However, I think you'll find that hard work, perseverance, and trust (that CGF will sue, and win, and also that we're an authority and resource for them entirely willing to partner should they choose) will win the day with respect to the statutory compliance issues.

If anyone's application is refused, or if you are denied, because of some unlawful local rule, please let us know with this form: http://calgunsfoundation.org/resources/ltcfeedback.html.

-Brandon

P.S. Stay tuned. You might just see some parting of the Red Sea rather soon.

This is the problem in a nutshell. The laws are vague, and open to "interpretation". What one Sheriff chooses to do, another may not. What would get you a CCW in Riverside, San Berdoo, won't fly in LA or OC. What one Department requires, another does not. That some of these things are "not up to code" matters little. If you do not jump through their hoops, you will be denied. Many of us are not spending the money and taking the time to do this just for fun, but because we really do have a need. Therefore we simply must do what we need to do. Hopefully Brandon, you and others like you, will get some sort of reform passed in California. How I do not know as I think parting the red sea with a sponge would be more realistic, given our rulers in Sacramento, but my hopes and support go with you nontheless.

[lawyerguy2011]

I'll disagree with you in part. The laws, while somewhat out of order and illogically framed together, are really clear on the standard process that all licensing authorities must use. The problem, really, is an institutional one: it's been "this way" for so long, with no challenges to the system, that these unlawful local rules have become the accepted (or at least expected) norm. The issue runs deep; it's not just the licensing authorities that push back against reform, but license-holders and potential applicants afraid that we'll somehow upset the apple cart and cause the entire state to simply fall away into "no-issue land".

If we need to require a judge to "interpret" the laws for the licensing authorities, we'll happily do so. However, I think you'll find that hard work, perseverance, and trust (that CGF will sue, and win, and also that we're an authority and resource for them entirely willing to partner should they choose) will win the day with respect to the statutory compliance issues.

If anyone's application is refused, or if you are denied, because of some unlawful local rule, please let us know with this form: http://calgunsfoundation.org/resources/ltcfeedback.html.

-Brandon

P.S. Stay tuned. You might just see some parting of the Red Sea rather soon.

Has anyone successfully challenged the gun limitations on CCW permits? Is something in the works?

[EM2]

fascinating !! say there are no restrictions ingram, how many weapons would you like to list on your ccw ?? really....three guns for concealed carry are not enough ?? ( or do you rotate your ccw guns??)

Non of your **** business.
And isn't that the point of living in a free and liberty oriented land?
We can have, own, collect, use, share, give, etc. anything we want without consulting anyone else if we so choose.

Some people collect wrist watches but have no NEED to tell time upon so many time pieces.
I have (4) LTC's from different states. Do I need all of those? No I do not in fact, but I collected them nontheless because they were cheap and easy to obtain.

So as you have seen from the many other answers to your question there are numerous reasons to have an unlimited list of firearms.






HighLander51,
Glad to see you and wildhawker got that worked out.

I am relatively new to being active on this forum and from my knowledge and experience in this area as an interested party & active LTC holder I acn tell you that wildhawker does in fact know what he is talking about.

[wildhawker]

Has anyone successfully challenged the gun limitations on CCW permits? Is something in the works?

Are you asking about discrete circumstances or precedent?

There is, but ([carry]#guns) is after (guns*carry) in order of operations.

-Brandon

[Quiet]

I remember back in 1996, the San Bernardino County packet having space to list 4 firearms and to use additional sheet(s) to list more firearms. This is when issuing agencies had their own LTC application packets.

When CA DOJ came out with the standardized LTC application, San Bernardino County started to restrict to only 3 firearms. This was because the standardized application only had space to list 3 firearms and all issuing agencies have to use the standardized application.


Is there a way to get CA DOJ BOF to add more than 3 listing options on the standardized LTC application?
Seems like it would be the easier apporach to change all the issuing agencies that state they limit to only 3 because the state mandated application only has space for 3.

[wildhawker]

DOJ BOF won't even touch this application without CSSA and CPCA providing the cover; they know we're not going to roll over like NRA did in 1999.

-Brandon

I remember back in 1996, the San Bernardino County packet having space to list 4 firearms and to use additional sheet(s) to list more firearms. This is when issuing agencies had their own LTC application packets.

When CA DOJ came out with the standardized LTC application, San Bernardino County started to restrict to only 3 firearms. This was because the standardized application only had space to list 3 firearms and all issuing agencies have to use the standardized application.


Is there a way to get CA DOJ BOF to add more than 3 listing options on the standardized LTC application?
Seems like it would be the easier apporach to change all the issuing agencies that state they limit to only 3 because the state mandated application only has space for 3.

[Liberty Customs]

Butte County is $15 bucks at the range to take your test (at least the range where my test was done). Then $5 at the Sheriffs office with no appointment needed. They fix it right there and hand it to you. And we are allowed to type in a 4th pistol under the last line. If you bring all of your guns to your class though, there is no additional charge for testing or adding guns at the Sheriffs office.