Permit Percentages

[Tommyw1952]

I?ve made it a point to ask the knowledgeable guys at the gun stores I buy from within their circles what percentage of people that carry actually have a ccw permit. I was getting between 30 and 50 percent are permitted. I was surprised at the low number.

I?m guessing since it?s generally a misdemeanor under most circumstances and if you need to defend yourself with your firearm you?re going before the same judge and jury, maybe permitting doesn?t really buy you a lot of advantages past the necessary training for new shooters.

With the SB2 on the horizon you’re just so limited.

[Rustlin’ Jack]

Anyone who confides to the gun store employees that they carry without a permit is using poor judgment. That is a practice best kept to yourself.

Carrying without a permit is only wrong because the state says it is.

https://legaldictionary.net/mala-prohibita/

What is Mala Prohibita
The Latin phrase mala prohibita – as used in modern times – refers to actions that are wrong simply because laws have been passed prohibiting them. Acts mala prohibita are contrasted by acts that are wrong, or evil in and of themselves. These evil acts are considered mala in se, which translates as “wrong in itself.”

Travel to the east a bit, and it’s perfectly legal. How a constitutional right can be so distorted is mind boggling. What other right is rendered as meaningless as the second amendment just for occupying a different bit of geography?

[Jeepergeo]

I?ve made it a point to ask the knowledgeable guys at the gun stores I buy from within their circles what percentage of people that carry actually have a ccw permit. I was getting between 30 and 50 percent are permitted. I was surprised at the low number.

I?m guessing since it?s generally a misdemeanor under most circumstances and if you need to defend yourself with your firearm you?re going before the same judge and jury, maybe permitting doesn?t really buy you a lot of advantages past the necessary training for new shooters.

With the SB2 on the horizon you?re just so limited.

Rob Bonta, you know that Gavin Newsom told you to only rely on gun data spewed by UC Davis academic hacks.
Now go back to your room.

[Tommyw1952]

Rob Bonta, you know that Gavin Newsom told you to only rely on gun data spewed by UC Davis academic hacks.
Now go back to your room.

lol

[L84CABO]

What are the odds in this state that if you're caught carrying without a permit, that they will only slap a misdemeanor on you and not completely suspend your gun rights altogether?

And yea, I realize it's all unconstitutional, but statists probably gonna state and that would be a nightmare to deal with.

[Tommyw1952]

What are the odds in this state that if you're caught carrying without a permit, that they will only slap a misdemeanor on you and not completely suspend your gun rights altogether?

And yea, I realize it's all unconstitutional, but statists probably gonna state and that would be a nightmare to deal with.

Yes I'm sure it would.

So with SB2 on the horizon with such limited options it begs the question of what is worse, no permit or permitted and caught carrying in a no carry zone as I'm sure the latter would also come with some penalties.

So many of the no carry zones are places where you need to be strapped however May V Bonta will most likely cause an injunction

[Dano3467]

OP's 4 post are interesting, for a newb.

My Grandson would say, That's suspicious

[Tommyw1952]

OP's 4 post are interesting, for a newb.

My Grandson would say, That's suspicious

Naw just looking for opinions. This whole Calif CCW bs is a mess.

I'm guessing that normal newb posts are more like "I bought a gun now where do the bullets go?"

[Preston-CLB]

I do have a permit. It comes up for renewal in July of '24, so I will go ahead and do it, even with the BS of SB-2.

If the SB-2 'prohibited carry locations' remain in effect, and I decide to carry in one of those places it will be a 'risk vs. benefit' scenario. (Side note: I had a deputy tell me, "If you're doing it correctly [carrying], who's going to know?").

Carrying without a permit in CA seems extremely risky to me. A simple traffic stop has the potential to really screw up your life if you're carrying without a permit and the LE finds out.

I am hopeful that the 'carry locations' piece of SB-2 will be struck down before the law goes into effect. It would be great if the entire law is struck down, but that's going to be a real uphill battle.
-P

[Snoopy47]

What are the odds in this state that if you're caught carrying without a permit, that they will only slap a misdemeanor on you and not completely suspend your gun rights altogether?

And yea, I realize it's all unconstitutional, but statists probably gonna state and that would be a nightmare to deal with.

You just tell them you are waiting to pick up your drug shipment for distribution and you will be out in no time.

[Snoopy47]

I am hopeful that the 'carry locations' piece of SB-2 will be struck down before the law goes into effect. It would be great if the entire law is struck down, but that's going to be a real uphill battle.
-P

Yea, looking at SB2 it really makes my day of just going out and about of doing errands incompatible with CCW. I can't see the majority of SB2 holding up.

I could only basically walk around my neighborhood to the house and back, or drive but never get to a location and get out of the car and do any sort of errand.

[Tommyw1952]

. (Side note: I had a deputy tell me, "If you're doing it correctly [carrying], who's going to know?").


-P

Yes that is the goal however the big issues is actually having to draw and fire. I dont know if a permit would alliviate to any extent the "crime" of defending yourself.

Insurance wouldn't cover a non permitted person however I don't think they'll cover in many cases anyway. I know Lawyers on Retainer does cover non permitted but it has to be classified as a felony for them to cover.


The fun never ends....

[Quiet]

I'm guessing since it's generally a misdemeanor under most circumstances ...

Not having a valid CA CCW permit:
A. Conceal carry of an unloaded registered handgun = one misdemeanor [PC 25400(c)(7)]
B. Conceal carry of a loaded registered handgun = two misdemeanors [PC 25400 (c)(7) and 25850(c)(7)]
C. Conceal carry of an unloaded unregistered handgun = one felony [PC 25400(c)(6)]
D. Conceal carry of a loaded unregistered handgun = two felonies [PC 25400(c)(6) and 25850(c)(6)]

Conviction of one misdemeanor equates to up to 1 year in jail + $1000 fine.

In addition, a person with a misdemeanor conviction may also be placed on probation in lieu of jail time or for receiving reduced jail time and the conditions of the probation will require the person to not own or possess any firearms or ammunition for the duration of the probation period (1-10 years, depending on the judge).

[Tommyw1952]

Not having a valid CA CCW permit:
A. Conceal carry of an unloaded registered handgun = one misdemeanor [PC 25400(c)(7)]
B. Conceal carry of a loaded registered handgun = two misdemeanors [PC 25400 (c)(7) and 25850(c)(7)]
C. Conceal carry of an unloaded unregistered handgun = one felony [PC 25400(c)(6)]
D. Conceal carry of a loaded unregistered handgun = two felonies [PC 25400(c)(6) and 25850(c)(6)]

Conviction of one misdemeanor equates to up to 1 year in jail + $1000 fine.

In addition, a person with a misdemeanor conviction may also be placed on probation in lieu of jail time or for receiving reduced jail time and the conditions of the probation will require the person to not own or possess any firearms or ammunition for the duration of the probation period (1-10 years, depending on the judge).

Much depends on the person's situation. An upstanding citizen with a clean record and a firearm legally regestered to them is pretty minor. If properly concealead and you don't do anything foolish highly doubtful you'll get caught anyway.

I don't carry at this point but weighing pros and cons of things...

[Pistol_Ned]

Misdemeanors, felonies, jail time, fines, expensive lawyers, losing your firearms collection and rights for a long while, maybe your job and savings too. Seems like an awful lot of cons there. Upstanding citizen no more if charged. To each his own I guess. Like you said, it's highly doubtful you'll get caught anyway. Very risky!

CCW Permits, despite how one feels about the constitutionality of such things, is what one must do in this state to carry legally.