Optics for a carry gun

[Doheny]

A third option, "considering it/plan to" would have been more telling that just the two options.

[whan]

I had a Romeo zero on my p365 but decided to stick with irons (I shoot USPSA with irons). Red dots certainly excel at distance accuracy, transition speed, and sight acquisition speed if initial presentation is good. That said, the first two of these advantages are less beneficial in a ccw context and I do think have to be weighed against the lower reliability of a red dot. Not just speaking reliability of the dot functioning, but also having the appropriate brightness level through the day, and most importantly reliability of getting a sight acquisition if your draw isn't perfect.

Given ccw dgu distances are often within 3 yards, and may include a less than perfect draw due to a variety of factors (off hand pushing away a person, etc), there is a reliability advantage for irons in terms of being able to get a sight picture. A good example of this is weak hand only strings for uspsa. I've found it sometimes unreliable getting the dot when having to transition to weak hand only vs irons. Normal draws with red dots I'm faster, but under adverse conditions or awkward angles (low port) there sometimes is a risk of losing the dot

Also, because you can get a sense of the front sight even with off alignment, it might be useful if you're looking to break a shot earlier even if the sights aren't perfectly aligned (for close distances), vs irons where the dot won't appear unless close to good alignment.

Finally, I do find that red dots can print slightly for appendix carry, although it's not significant and often not noticeable

[sergeantc]

Yes. Target acquisition and follow-up acquisition is faster than irons and any advantage is one I'm willing to take.

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Very 👍 nice setup you have

Question for anyone who has a Glock 19 gen 3.What optics do you use or recommend?

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[tladues]

Yes. Target acquisition and follow-up acquisition is faster than irons and any advantage is one I'm willing to take.

Oooooh, me likey the od rig.


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[CJJohn]

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Very 👍 nice setup you have

Question for anyone who has a Glock 19 gen 3.What optics do you use or recommend?

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I have a Gloc 19 gen3, and run a Trijicon RMR. No complaints.
But I also have a G26 and run a Holosun 508 T on it. Also, no complaints. To be honest I like the Holosun reticle options better.

[Scotty]

Irons. I don't shoot carry optics enough to be good at it. I've shot classifiers like the IDPA classifier with iron and carry optics back to back. Same gun, different slide. I'm one classification lower with optics. More accurate but slower overall.

[sergeantc]

I have a Gloc 19 gen3, and run a Trijicon RMR. No complaints.
But I also have a G26 and run a Holosun 508 T on it. Also, no complaints. To be honest I like the Holosun reticle options better.

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Thank you CJJohn
Much appreciated 👍

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[CJJohn]

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Thank you CJJohn
Much appreciated 👍

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You're welcome. For me the RDS was an absolute game changer. Enjoy.....


John

[HKAllTheThings]

Irons. I don't shoot carry optics enough to be good at it. I've shot classifiers like the IDPA classifier with iron and carry optics back to back. Same gun, different slide. I'm one classification lower with optics. More accurate but slower overall.

[TrailerparkTrash]

[Scotty]

Not surprising. I'm losing time on the draw finding the dot and on transitions finding the dot. I simply don't have enough trigger time with a small optic. Whereas I have 20+ yearsof shooting iron sights in competition.

[TrailerparkTrash]

Not surprising. I'm losing time on the draw finding the dot and on transitions finding the dot. I simply don't have enough trigger time with a small optic. Whereas I have 20+ yearsof shooting iron sights in competition.

[HKAllTheThings]

Not surprising. I'm losing time on the draw finding the dot and on transitions finding the dot. I simply don't have enough trigger time with a small optic. Whereas I have 20+ yearsof shooting iron sights in competition.

One thing I've noticed is that for dudes transitioning to a dot, especially after shooting irons for a long time, they learn that their indexing wasn't very good to start with. And by having a hard front sight focus with irons, that it's actually the exact opposite of what you should be doing with a red dot so it's a hard habit to break.

[Scotty]

One thing I've noticed is that for dudes transitioning to a dot, especially after shooting irons for a long time, they learn that their indexing wasn't very good to start with. And by having a hard front sight focus with irons, that it's actually the exact opposite of what you should be doing with a red dot so it's a hard habit to break.

In a static situation where you are not moving on the draw, the indexing is fine, no problem finding the dot. It's when you are not standing straight up and not drawing straight in front of you that the problem starts. With iron sights, you can pick up the sight much earlier in the draw and correct for it.

If any moisture (rain) gets on the glass optic, good luck finding the dot under duress.

I've shot in the rain with red dots. The water on the glass isn't much of an issue. The real problem starts when the water droplet is on the emitter. Then the dot goes where ever it wants.

[HKAllTheThings]

In a static situation where you are not moving on the draw, the indexing is fine, no problem finding the dot. It's when you are not standing straight up and not drawing straight in front of you that the problem starts. With iron sights, you can pick up the sight much earlier in the draw and correct for it.

I haven't seen this problem yet so maybe you're doing something differently than most? Given that you'd want your shoulders squared up to the target even though you're moving sideways or obliquely to it, I think your draw and presentation should remain consistent.