Any California CCW Issuing Agency w/min age 18?

[Jason95357]

Look OP, let me save you the sugarcoating. NO! NO IA is going to issue a license to carry to anyone under 21. The tortuous logic you used in an attempt to even GET a pistol under 21 should illustrate to you just how hard (and unlikely) it is.. So WHY would ANY IA open themselves up to such legal scrutiny.

Wait a few years.

For the record, my kids each were given handguns at 18 (and long guns prior to this, before the law changed). They have their CCW permits for states that issue to 18 year olds (the easiest to get is Maine).

We all use work-arounds to do what we want to do, including AR builds, etc. This is no different. It's just one more way to crack the nut and make true 2A access available for every legal adult, including those 18-20.

Oh, and to your "NO IA is going to issue a license to carry to anyone under 21" statement: it appears you are incorrect, and Sutter County Sheriff does issue CCW permits to those 18-20 (thanks to the other poster who actually stayed on topic and supplied this valuable information).

https://www.suttersheriff.org/divisions/training-section/ccw-permit

If I'm successful, more IAs will follow suit.

[Jason95357]

Why does your signature say you have a license to carry in 6 states? Lol

Because I have permits in all of those states. I travel frequently, and the reciprocity allows me to carry everywhere I go. I've actually had even more permits, when reciprocity laws made them beneficial (NH for PA, WA and ME).

The original post isn't for myself. I've had a California permit for something like 8 years, just renewed the 4th time. This is for my kids, nephews, nieces, and future grandkids who should be allowed to carry their legally owned handguns from ages 18-20 and not have to wait until 21.

[Jason95357]

Sutter Co with a parents gun but I believe you must reside at their home.

Excellent! Thank you for saving me a considerable amount of time searching 50+ county websites.

Actually, the 18-20 year old can be gifted the gun from their parents or grandparents and legally own it. But, I'll read up on what the sheriff lists for their policy.

https://www.suttersheriff.org/divisions/training-section/ccw-permit

[Jason95357]

Maybe nothing in the Penal code. But as with the hiring process for LEOs there is a category called "life experience" and it factors into the decision.

I suspect (but haven't researched), that LEOs cannot give/issue handguns to those 18-20, thus there is no point in hiring someone to be a LEO before they become 21.

As I posted, parents, grandparents, and spouses may give handguns (and ammo) to those 18-20.

[Dvrjon]

I suspect (but haven't researched), that LEOs cannot give/issue handguns to those 18-20, thus there is no point in hiring someone to be a LEO before they become 21.

As I posted, parents, grandparents, and spouses may give handguns (and ammo) to those 18-20.

The research….

Government Code 1031. Each class of public officers or employees declared by law to be peace officers shall meet all of the following minimum standards:
(a) Be a citizen of the United States or a permanent resident alien who is eligible for and has applied for citizenship, except as provided in Section 2267 of the Vehicle Code.
(b) Be at least 18 years of age.

[acegunnr]

Not California but Utah offers a Provisional permit for 18-20 yr. old. You can apply for a non-resident permit but I am not sure how other states treat reciprocity for the provisional permit.

https://bci.utah.gov/information-about-the-provisional-concealed-firearm-permit/

[Quiet]

I suspect (but haven't researched), that LEOs cannot give/issue handguns to those 18-20, thus there is no point in hiring someone to be a LEO before they become 21.

As I posted, parents, grandparents, and spouses may give handguns (and ammo) to those 18-20.

Under CA laws...

LE agencies are exempt and can issue firearms to their LEOs. [PC 27605]
^There is no age requirement for this exemption.

It is also legal to loan a firearm to a person that is enrolled in a POST academy or POST certification course, for the purpose of using the firearm for the training, and the loan is exempt from needing to be done through a CA FFL dealer and the duration of the loan is until the POST academy/course ends. [PC 27970]
^There is no age requirement for this exemption.

LEOs and persons that are enrolled in a POST academy are exempt from CA ammo transfer laws, in that they can legally obtain ammo without having to utilize a CA licensed ammunition vendor or CA FFL dealer. [PC 30312(c)(2),(11)]
^So, it's legal for their LE agency to issue them ammo.

The minimum age to enroll in a POST academy or POST certification course and to be a CA LEO is 18. [GC 1031(b)]


Penal Code 27605
Article 1 (commencing with Section 27500) does not apply to the loan of a firearm if all of the following conditions are satisfied:
(a) The loan is made by an authorized law enforcement representative of a city, county, or city and county, or of the state or federal government.
(b) The loan is made to a peace officer employed by that agency and authorized to carry a firearm.
(c) The loan is made for the carrying and use of that firearm by that peace officer in the course and scope of the officer’s duties.

Penal Code 27970
Section 27545 does not apply to the loan of a firearm if the loan of the firearm is to a person enrolled in the course of basic training prescribed by the Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training, or any other course certified by the commission, for purposes of participation in the course.

Penal Code 30312
(c) Subdivisions (a) and (b) shall not apply to the sale, delivery, or transfer of ammunition to any of the following:
(1) An authorized law enforcement representative of a city, county, city and county, or state or federal government, if the sale, delivery, or transfer is for exclusive use by that government agency and, prior to the sale, delivery, or transfer of the ammunition, written authorization from the head of the agency employing the purchaser or transferee is obtained, identifying the employee as an individual authorized to conduct the transaction, and authorizing the transaction for the exclusive use of the agency employing the individual.
(2) A sworn peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, or sworn federal law enforcement officer, who is authorized to carry a firearm in the course and scope of the officer’s duties.
(11) A person enrolled in the basic training academy for peace officers or any other course certified by the Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training, an instructor of the academy or course, or a staff member of the academy or entity providing the course, who is purchasing the ammunition for the purpose of participation or use in the course.

Government Code 1031
Each class of public officers or employees declared by law to be peace officers shall meet all of the following minimum standards:
(a) Be a citizen of the United States or a permanent resident alien who is eligible for and has applied for citizenship, except as provided in Section 2267 of the Vehicle Code.
(b) Be at least 18 years of age.
(c) Be fingerprinted for purposes of search of local, state, and national fingerprint files to disclose a criminal record.
(d) Be of good moral character, as determined by a thorough background investigation.
(e) Be a high school graduate, pass the General Education Development Test or other high school equivalency test approved by the State Department of Education that indicates high school graduation level, pass the California High School Proficiency Examination, or have attained a two-year, four-year, or advanced degree from an accredited college or university. The high school shall be either a United States public school, an accredited United States Department of Defense high school, or an accredited or approved public or nonpublic high school. Any accreditation or approval required by this subdivision shall be from a state or local government educational agency using local or state government approved accreditation, licensing, registration, or other approval standards, a regional accrediting association, an accrediting association recognized by the Secretary of the United States Department of Education, an accrediting association holding full membership in the National Council for Private School Accreditation (NCPSA), an organization holding full membership in AdvancED, an organization holding full membership in the Council for American Private Education (CAPE), or an accrediting association recognized by the National Federation of Nonpublic School State Accrediting Associations (NFNSSAA).
(f) Be found to be free from any physical, emotional, or mental condition, including bias against race or ethnicity, gender, nationality, religion, disability, or sexual orientation, that might adversely affect the exercise of the powers of a peace officer.
(1) Physical condition shall be evaluated by a licensed physician and surgeon.
(2) Emotional and mental condition shall be evaluated by either of the following:
(A) A physician and surgeon who holds a valid California license to practice medicine, has successfully completed a postgraduate medical residency education program in psychiatry accredited by the Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education, and has at least the equivalent of five full-time years of experience in the diagnosis and treatment of emotional and mental disorders, including the equivalent of three full-time years accrued after completion of the psychiatric residency program.
(B) A psychologist licensed by the California Board of Psychology who has at least the equivalent of five full-time years of experience in the diagnosis and treatment of emotional and mental disorders, including the equivalent of three full-time years accrued postdoctorate.
The physician and surgeon or psychologist shall also have met any applicable education and training procedures set forth by the Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training designed for the conduct of preemployment psychological screening of peace officers.
(g) This section shall not be construed to preclude the adoption of additional or higher standards, including age.

[morrcarr67]

Not California but Utah offers a Provisional permit for 18-20 yr. old. You can apply for a non-resident permit but I am not sure how other states treat reciprocity for the provisional permit.

https://bci.utah.gov/information-abo...irearm-permit/

Not up on all states laws but I have read some of the reciprocity laws and most will not honor permits issued to people under 21.

Take ME for instance, they issue at 18. They have reciprocity with 30 states; some of which are Constitutional Carry. 17 of those states; 57%, will not honor their permits issued to someone 18. And only 1 of those; MO, will let someone under 21 carry. Though MO is Constitutional Carry for anyone 19 years old or older.

[TrailerparkTrash]

[Dvrjon]

This is for my kids, nephews, nieces, and future grandkids who should be allowed to carry their legally owned handguns from ages 18-20 and not have to wait until 21.

If I'm successful, more IAs will follow suit.