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  • BC9696
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 2033

    Non lethal tools

    Besides your brain, hand to hand combat training and overall good judgment and situational awareness...there are a number of less lethal and non lethal tools out there. Stun guns, retractable batons, Mace, etc. What are the legalities, liabilities and benefits of carrying something in addition to your sidearm in Calif.?
    Last edited by BC9696; 03-08-2019, 2:03 PM.
    Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

    The U.S. city with the most restrictive gun laws in the nation, Washington, D.C., has the highest murder rate at 24 per 100,000.
    The state with the most unrestrictive gun regulations, Vermont, has the lowest murder rate at 0.48 per 100,000.
  • #2
    dummykid
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2016
    • 1296

    i thought retractable batons was banned for carry. I would carry a gel pepper spray.

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    • #3
      P5Ret
      Calguns Addict
      • Oct 2010
      • 6381

      Originally posted by dummykid
      i thought retractable batons was banned for carry. I would carry a gel pepper spray.
      Misdemeanor to possess. 22210 PC

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      • #4
        dummykid
        Senior Member
        • Jun 2016
        • 1296

        Originally posted by P5Ret
        Misdemeanor to possess. 22210 PC
        yea. I remembered I asked my friend where I could buy good quality one, then he told me its illegal to have it.

        My friend has SABRE Pepper Gel, it won't be blown back if its windy outside, specially in San Francisco. He used once when he was working in his garage with the garage door open, one guy came in with a knife and asked him for money, then my friend sprayed all over the guy's face to stop the robbery, later on the guy got caught.

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        • #5
          sonofeugene
          Veteran Member
          • Oct 2013
          • 4546

          Let us not pray to be sheltered from dangers but to be fearless when facing them. - Rabindranath Tagore

          A mind all logic is like a knife all blade. It makes the hand bleed that uses it. - Rabindranath Tagore

          Talent hits a target no one else can hit. Genius hits a target no one else can see. - Arthur Schopenhaur

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          • #6
            mike415stone
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2014
            • 1203

            I can kill a person with a ballpoint pen. Lethal and non-lethal depends on the user.
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            • #7
              wpage
              Calguns Addict
              • Jan 2011
              • 6071

              Your body and keeping it in good shape by excercise and proper nurtrician. Thus your brain and abilities to defend yourself and others is enhanced.
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              John 3:16

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              • #8
                Adam25
                Member
                • Sep 2011
                • 350

                Krav Maga...and constantly scanning helps

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                • #9
                  FresnoRob
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2013
                  • 2133

                  Originally posted by dummykid
                  yea. I remembered I asked my friend where I could buy good quality one, then he told me its illegal to have it.

                  My friend has SABRE Pepper Gel, it won't be blown back if its windy outside, specially in San Francisco. He used once when he was working in his garage with the garage door open, one guy came in with a knife and asked him for money, then my friend sprayed all over the guy's face to stop the robbery, later on the guy got caught.
                  Originally posted by mike415stone
                  I can kill a person with a ballpoint pen. Lethal and non-lethal depends on the user.
                  I carry pepper spray and a tactical pen ( Aircraft Aluminum ). Although if someone came at me with a knife like the first quote I'd use a handgun not the pepper spray. Someone with a knife is trying to kill you.

                  The pepper spray is for the guy I'm not afraid is going to kill me, but whom I don't want to have to fight hand to hand.

                  The pen is just as a last resort if I can't use my handgun.

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                  • #10
                    FeuerFrei
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 7455

                    Personal alarms in the 120dB++ range and small pepper spray with dye in it. Marks your target for the cops.
                    Stout umbrella can be useful, but can be gripped away and used against you.
                    Flash light w/stobe feature for night time would have some value.
                    *when you're fighting for your life and NOT fighting dirty, you're doing it wrong.

                    Sent using a long string and 2 used soup cans

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                    • #11
                      BC9696
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 2033

                      Is it just me or does the idea of that we can legally carry a firearm but carrying a less lethal baton is illegal. Makes no sense. I have these flashlights in my truck.

                      Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

                      The U.S. city with the most restrictive gun laws in the nation, Washington, D.C., has the highest murder rate at 24 per 100,000.
                      The state with the most unrestrictive gun regulations, Vermont, has the lowest murder rate at 0.48 per 100,000.

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                      • #12
                        sonofeugene
                        Veteran Member
                        • Oct 2013
                        • 4546

                        Might technically be legal, but it looks too much like a baton to me to risk carrying it anywhere.

                        That's one of the big advantages to a cane. It can be legally carried anywhere, including planes and other public transportation.
                        Let us not pray to be sheltered from dangers but to be fearless when facing them. - Rabindranath Tagore

                        A mind all logic is like a knife all blade. It makes the hand bleed that uses it. - Rabindranath Tagore

                        Talent hits a target no one else can hit. Genius hits a target no one else can see. - Arthur Schopenhaur

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                        • #13
                          SnWnMe
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 6897

                          I can run real fast.
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                          • #14
                            eross24
                            Junior Member
                            • Jan 2019
                            • 49

                            besides a basic folding knife I have the 5.11 tac pen. i need to invest in some of the gel pepper spray.

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                            • #15
                              BC9696
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 2033

                              Originally posted by eross24
                              besides a basic folding knife I have the 5.11 tac pen. i need to invest in some of the gel pepper spray.
                              What's up with those tac pens anyway? They don't seem like much.
                              Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

                              The U.S. city with the most restrictive gun laws in the nation, Washington, D.C., has the highest murder rate at 24 per 100,000.
                              The state with the most unrestrictive gun regulations, Vermont, has the lowest murder rate at 0.48 per 100,000.

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