Santa Clara

[Muffinnuts]

Just checking in with my own update:

Application Submitted: 2/16
Interview: 3/30
Psych Test Email: 4/19
Psych Testing: 4/28
Psych Interview: TBD
Training: Completed
Livescan: Submitted 4/05, Cleared 4/13

I've been livescanned many times so I just went ahead and did mine early and it cleared in about 8 days. YMMV though. I hear it's taking some people months to clear, but mine went very quickly. As for training, policy says it's gotta be within 90 days of approval notification, so I went ahead and scheduled it and completed it early as well. I decided if my training certificate becomes stale (outside 90 day window) I won't mind doing more training. More training isn't a bad thing.

So far the process has been moving pretty quickly. I'd even hazard a guess that I'd be on track to be done within the apparent statutory limit of 90 days.

I have my psych interview on Monday morning so if I get some time I?ll give an update about it if people are Interested


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[crazyScott90]

Thanks so314 and crazyscott90. This makes much more sense now. I'm assuming all they need to do is access the doj system to review your livescan.

Do you see any risk of completing training too early? They want it to be "fresh" on your mind (how the interviewer stated it).

In my opinion, the riskiest filter is the psyche test. They are looking for consistency and "good character" traits. Even if they say there are no wrong answers, i'm sure there are.

As I stated in a previous comment, the risk of doing the training early is you might run down the 90 day window. SCC policy says training must be completed within 90 days of approval. I didn't see anything saying that had to be done after approval, so I decided to do mine a bit early. And as I said I don't mind the risk because having to take more training doesn't bother me.

[so314]

Thanks so314 and crazyscott90. This makes much more sense now. I'm assuming all they need to do is access the doj system to review your livescan.

Do you see any risk of completing training too early? They want it to be "fresh" on your mind (how the interviewer stated it).

In my opinion, the riskiest filter is the psyche test. They are looking for consistency and "good character" traits. Even if they say there are no wrong answers, i'm sure there are.

I think the riskiest part of the process, like you mentioned, is the psych eval. Given the fact that the exact requirements to "pass" aren't public and not many people have gone through the entire process yet, it's hard to judge whether the average person will likely pass or fail the eval.

The reason I did my livescan early was because of reports that livescan can take 1-2 months to complete. I was willing to risk the $117 livescan fee in exchange for the potential of speeding up my application process by 1-2 months. However, new reports show that ccw livescans are processed within a week. If I had known this, I probably would have just waited until after the psych eval to do it.

I wouldn't risk doing the training early, because a) it costs $400+, b) you don't know if you'll get approval after the psych eval, c) you don't know how long it will take to get a decision, especially after they took on hundreds of applicants from the interview clinics. It's not like the training takes a lot of time to complete either, you can easily finish it within a week or two after getting approval (depending on your schedule, I guess).

[RudyN]

Santa Clara

Defensive Accuracy sounds good as I live only about 20 minutes from Coyote Sporting Clays and I have shot at the Cowboy range when I did some CAS.


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[sho69]

How did you livescan prior to psyche evaluation?

SCC refused my SJPD livescan. Interviewer stated it will be conducted after Psyche Eval results and is heavily backlogged.

I believe the reason SCC refused your SJPD livescan is because a scan cannot be shared between agencies.

[sho69]

I completed my Psych Eval Step 2 (interview) on 4/25. I think we have very much overthought the process. For me it was a quick 10 mins interview basically going over almost the same PsyQ / Background questions again. After PsyQ my interviewer was like: "Okay, we're done! I will send the results to your agency after you complete the post interview form". I was like: "Err.. is that it?". Interviewer: "Yeah, for candidates with clean background we generally want to keep the session as short as possible. Don't worry about it."

Then this afternoon I got a phone call from SCC notifying me I've been approved and should proceed with Livescan. I asked him what if I have already done my Livescan? He asked me to please wait a moment so he may check whether they have received the results. A few mins later he came back and said it is not there yet, and asked me when did I do the scans? I told him about a month ago. He then said "Oh okay, well.. you should wait another month or so. Then if we still have not received the results, you should go back to the office that did the scan for you and ask them to resend". So I'm guessing this implies it is okay to do Livescan prior to Psych Eval.

Also, it seems Livescan is still heavily backlogged. My scan results shows completed on 3/27 for DOJ + FBI and completed on 3/30 for Firearms. Even though it says completed on the Livescan status check site it is not actually completed / SCC doesn't have the results yet.

My timeline / progress:

3/23 - Interview at SCSO
3/27 - Live Scan
3/28 - Received email to schedule for Psych Eval Step 1 (written tests)
4/12 - Psych Eval Step 1 (written tests) + Schedule for Psych Eval Step 2 (interview)
4/25 - Psych Eval Step 2 (interview)
4/28 - Received phone call from SCSO saying my Psych Eval has been approved and should proceed with Live Scan.
5/04 - Received email from SCSO and Permitium saying my Live Scan has been approved and may proceed with Training.

[so314]

I completed my Psych Eval Step 2 (interview) on 4/25. I think we have very much overthought the process. For me it was a quick 10 mins interview basically going over almost the same PsyQ / Background questions again. After PsyQ my interviewer was like: "Okay, we're done! I will send the results to your agency after you complete the post interview form". I was like: "Err.. is that it?". Interviewer: "Yeah, for candidates with clean background we generally want to keep the session as short as possible. Don't worry about it."

Then this afternoon I got a phone call from SCC notifying me I've been approved and should proceed with Livescan. I asked him what if I have already done my Livescan? He asked me to please wait a moment so he may check whether they have received the results. A few mins later he came back and said it is not there yet, and asked me when did I do the scans? I told him about a month ago. He then said "Oh okay, well.. you should wait another month or so. Then if we still have not received the results, you should go back to the office that did the scan for you and ask them to resend". So I'm guessing this implies it is okay to do Livescan prior to Psych Eval.

Also, it seems Livescan is still heavily backlogged. My scan results shows completed on 3/27 for DOJ + FBI and completed on 3/30 for Firearms. Even though it says completed on the Livescan status check site it is not actually completed / SCC doesn't have the results yet.

My timeline / progress:

3/23 - Interview at SCC
3/27 - Livescan
3/28 - Received email to schedule for Psych Eval Step 1 (written tests)
4/12 - Psych Eval Step 1 (written tests) + Schedule for Psych Eval Step 2 (interview)
4/25 - Psych Eval Step 2 (interview)
4/28 - Received Phone call from SCC saying I've been approved and should proceed with Livescan.

Wow, you're lucky they called so soon. I finished my psych eval 2 weeks ago and also got a call this afternoon from a SCSO number, but unfortunately I was busy and missed it and my voicemail was full. I tried calling back but went unanswered. Will try again on Monday to see any news.

I had a similar experience with the psych interview, only took 15 minutes or so and was mainly a repeat of the PsyQ questions.

[sho69]

I think the riskiest part of the process, like you mentioned, is the psych eval. Given the fact that the exact requirements to "pass" aren't public and not many people have gone through the entire process yet, it's hard to judge whether the average person will likely pass or fail the eval.

I would imagine the pass criteria to be more lenient than applying for an armed public service position.

The reason I did my livescan early was because of reports that livescan can take 1-2 months to complete. I was willing to risk the $117 livescan fee in exchange for the potential of speeding up my application process by 1-2 months. However, new reports show that ccw livescans are processed within a week. If I had known this, I probably would have just waited until after the psych eval to do it.

Same reason why I did my Livescan early. I think we may have made the right move because I'm now done with the Pysch Eval and still waiting on Livescan results from a month back.

I wouldn't risk doing the training early, because a) it costs $400+, b) you don't know if you'll get approval after the psych eval, c) you don't know how long it will take to get a decision, especially after they took on hundreds of applicants from the interview clinics. It's not like the training takes a lot of time to complete either, you can easily finish it within a week or two after getting approval (depending on your schedule, I guess).

Also I heard we have to do the training within 90 days of notice or something.

[sho69]

Wow, you're lucky they called so soon. I finished my psych eval 2 weeks ago and also got a call this afternoon from a SCSO number, but unfortunately I was busy and missed it and my voicemail was full. I tried calling back but went unanswered. Will try again on Monday to see any news.

I had a similar experience with the psych interview, only took 15 minutes or so and was mainly a repeat of the PsyQ questions.

They're probably processing results in batches rather than individually. But hey, that most likely means you've also been approved. Congrats! I wonder if they have received your Livescan results.

[so314]

I would imagine the pass criteria to be more lenient than applying for an armed public service position.

Strictly speaking, yes, but this county has historically been so anti-2A I wasn't very confident.

Unfortunately there is a lot of stigma around mental health these days. I see lots of posts on Reddit where people are concerned they will be denied their CCW for even talking with a psychologist, needing to take medications, etc. If the county is still trying to be anti-2A, it's entirely reasonable to assume they will use anything in your background as a reason to deny you. However, I hope that is not the case.

Same reason why I did my Livescan early. I think we may have made the right move because I'm now done with the Pysch Eval and still waiting on Livescan results from a month back.

They're probably processing results in batches rather than individually. But hey, that most likely means you've also been approved. Congrats! I wonder if they have received your Livescan results.

I don't have a complete understanding of how the LiveScan system works in the background, but I thought the agency received the results when it says "completed" on the applicant status check portal. If that's not the case, then I take back my previous statement about not needing to do the LiveScan early.

I did my LiveScan on 3/23, FBI+CA completed same day, firearms completed 3/29.

[ColdDeadHands1]

I think I read somewhere the psych eval was multiple hours. I’m glad to hear it’s only been 15 minutes for some of you.

[so314]

I think I read somewhere the psych eval was multiple hours. I?m glad to hear it?s only been 15 minutes for some of you.

The first part of the psych eval, which is a proctored test via Zoom and has a few hundred questions, is scheduled for 5 hours but only took me (and many others) about 2 hours to complete.

The second part of the psych eval, which is a meeting with a licensed psychologist via Zoom, was the one that took only 15 minutes.

[sho69]

I think I read somewhere the psych eval was multiple hours. I?m glad to hear it?s only been 15 minutes for some of you.

Written test was scheduled for 5 hours. Took around 2 hours for me, mainly depends on how fast you can read / answer.

Interview was scheduled for 40 mins. Took less than 10 mins for me. My interview was at 10AM, interviewer joined a couple of mins late and I was done by 10:10.

[FuryTomic]

That sounds like good progress so far, especially if the 2nd part is just a short interview.

Where did you guys get your Livescan done? Thinking may as well get it over with and send it while waiting for my Psych Eval scheduling email to hit my inbox.

I plan on using the same office that processed my livescan for COE. Unless, SCC wants you to go to a particular livescan…

[sho69]

That sounds like good progress so far, especially if the 2nd part is just a short interview.

Where did you guys get your Livescan done? Thinking may as well get it over with and send it while waiting for my Psych Eval scheduling email to hit my inbox.

I plan on using the same office that processed my livescan for COE. Unless, SCC wants you to go to a particular livescan?

Caller from SCC said any location is fine.