Santa Barbara

[choprzrul]

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Cause for need of CCW Permit is simply: PERSONAL PROTECTION

What am I missing? None of us can leave our houses without being in close proximity to thugs at some point. We need CCW for personal protection.

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[wildhawker]

Hang tight in SB.

[gtturborex]

I know one FFL holder who kept his CCW here in Goleta/Santa Barbara ca.when Sheriff Bill Brown got elected BUT with sever restrictions on his CCW. No restrictions on CCW's before Brown got elected......

With a lot of restrictions. To, during, and from work only? Isn't this overly restrictive for a right?

[gtturborex]

Hang tight in SB.

Thanks again Brandon. Holding tight here...

[Fjold]

Did you talk to Dirk by chance? He's a very cool guy and I am glad he got on to city council.

Dirk is one of my best friends. Ask him about our hunting trip to Wyoming.

[dswenk]

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/

http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/

If you have any questions about this, please feel free to contact me directly via email, or by telephone. - Craig
Sergeant Craig Bonner
Santa Barbara Sheriff's Department
Office of Professional Standards
(805) 681-4292

[GrizzlyGuy]

Quoting from the reply:

Sheriff Brown supports the 2nd amendment to the United States Constitution (Right to bear arms).

This shows once again why such a statement is meaningless. Obviously this isn't true.

As result of this decision making "ability", the county sheriff (both as an individual and their department as a whole) incurs potential civil liability for each and every concealed carry permit they issue.

Are they not aware of Section 6 in the standard application?:

Section 6 – Agreement to Restrictions and to Hold Harmless

I accept and assume all responsibility and liability for, injury to, or death of any person, or damage to any property which may result through any act or omission of either the licensee or the agency that issued the license. In the event any claim, suit or action is brought against the agency that issued the license, its chief officer or any of its employees, by reason of, or in connection with any such act or omission, the licensee shall defend, indemnify, and hold harmless the agency that issued the license, its chief officer or any of its employees from such claim, suit, or action...

Seems to me that their most significant civil liability comes from continuing to inhibit civil rights by pursuing their hardly-ever-issue policy.

Queue bwiese: 'when you absolutely-positively need to sue every *** in the room'

[gtturborex]

It is not like we are asking for sharks with "laser" beams attached to their heads.

All we want is our god given "rights"

Sounds like this county may be a little tougher than thought.

Only two weeks right?

[gpsmatt]

Glad to see this I will be donating.

[jordan]

yes, very glad to see some progress in our county finally.

I will be making a contribution as well. lets take some action on this.

[gtturborex]

jordan
yes, very glad to see some progress in our county finally.

I will be making a contribution as well. lets take some action on this.

Glad to see this I will be donating.

Awesome guys. Here is the sponsorship page if you haven't seen it yet

http://www.cgfstore.org/product/carry-license-reform-sunshine-initiative-credited-county-sponsorship

[Ford8N]

Reading some the good cause statements, a lot seem pretty lame. Yea, we all have pissed somebody off, walked past really bad people in dark mall parking lots, are neighbors to some scum bags and live, work and travel in really bad areas. We all carry large amounts of cash and guns, sometimes more than gun dealers(FFL's)! The line is to arbitrary as to what is a threat. I can find some poor soul living in a crappy area of Santa Maria who deserves a CCW more than some pilot or retired cop living in a gated community in Santa Barbara.

[gtturborex]

Reading some the good cause statements, a lot seem pretty lame. Yea, we all have pissed somebody off, walked past really bad people in dark mall parking lots, are neighbors to some scum bags and live, work and travel in really bad areas. We all carry large amounts of cash and guns, sometimes more than gun dealers(FFL's)! The line is to arbitrary as to what is a threat. I can find some poor soul living in a crappy area of Santa Maria who deserves a CCW more than some pilot or retired cop living in a gated community in Santa Barbara.

Exactly the reason we all should have them

[edog11]

Reading some the good cause statements, a lot seem pretty lame. Yea, we all have pissed somebody off, walked past really bad people in dark mall parking lots, are neighbors to some scum bags and live, work and travel in really bad areas. We all carry large amounts of cash and guns, sometimes more than gun dealers(FFL's)! The line is to arbitrary as to what is a threat. I can find some poor soul living in a crappy area of Santa Maria who deserves a CCW more than some pilot or retired cop living in a gated community in Santa Barbara.

Yeah Im on one the poor souls living in the crappy area of Santa Maria.

[Killface]

Just browsed a few of the good cause statements. Noticed that page 7 or so was a judge who stated the need was due to threats made on other judges. I work in an unpopular field as well (animal research at the university) and several of my collaborators have received repeated death threats, including homes and a vehicle set on fire. Haven't applied, but I'm guessing the threats toward us aren't going to be viewed quite equally as those toward judges within the system...