PLEASE READ -- students with Smith & Wesson MP15-22 rifles

[mnichols]

As far as I know, the ban is still in effect.

[as_rocketman]

Correct, still unresolved. There's an active thread on the RWVA forum about this. From the way it's going I do not expect it ever to be resolved.

I have no dog in this fight. Personally I haven't experienced an M&P 15-22 failure on my line. However, if I want to keep my accreditation and my insurance, I've got to go with the guidance I get from National. Sorry, guys.

[ARFrog]

Thanks for the verification. I appreciate your position on this matter.

It is a pity that there appear to be so many variables that cloud this matter - use of certain brands of ammo, untrackable user rifle mods, possible but unclear design issues, etc.

I hope to attend an AS event in the future but will need to rethink my rifle of choice.

[as_rocketman]

The real pity is that Appleseed is supposed to be almost completely gear agnostic. For the most part, it is -- I've seen all kinds of rifles on the line, from National Match AR-15's to lever-action .30-30's. And then we get this one oddball exception...

You shouldn't feel like you have to overthink your gear choice. I got my patch using a $99 Marlin 70, "modified" with Tech Sights and an Uncle Mike's M1907-style sling, firing CCI Blazer HV .22 LRN ammo. It's enough.

Knowing what I know now, I'd go straight for an M1 GI sling and never look back, but otherwise, the point stands.

[Ron-Solo]

I've had mine for ever. I got it when they first came out. I've never had a problem with it. Any malfunctions were attributed to ammo.

I've shot thousands of rounds thru it over the years. My grandkids easily have a couple thousand rounds thru theirs without any problems.

[MontClaire]

Purchased one recently with updated m-lock handguard so Im assuming it is after the recall. Had few failures to feed where the case would be stuck half way in at an angle but that was it. 600 rounds through already and no other problems.

[Tehjosheh]

Agreed, ive been wanting to attend but i only have a 15-22.. i do understand that safety is #1 - just would like to see a path to resolution =/

[roundabout]

Thanks for the bump. Just checked my 15-22 gen1. I need to tighten the barrel nut. The barrel wiggles 1/4 inch!

[ARFrog]

The real pity is that Appleseed is supposed to be almost completely gear agnostic. For the most part, it is -- I've seen all kinds of rifles on the line, from National Match AR-15's to lever-action .30-30's. And then we get this one oddball exception...

You shouldn't feel like you have to overthink your gear choice. I got my patch using a $99 Marlin 70, "modified" with Tech Sights and an Uncle Mike's M1907-style sling, firing CCI Blazer HV .22 LRN ammo. It's enough.

Knowing what I know now, I'd go straight for an M1 GI sling and never look back, but otherwise, the point stands.

And here I thought bringing/using a S'G' M1 carbine with IP parts might be over kill

[as_rocketman]

Go right ahead...

I've never made a 210 with my M1 Carbine, though. Best I've got is about 200. Accuracy is just not quite there on Stage IV, although I have cleaned a Redcoat... so if I try enough times...

[JohnnyMtn]

Why are loaners no longer possible in CA? I understand it as a new CA law but I wasn't aware of any law where you couldn't let someone shoot your rifle at the range.

[as_rocketman]

The CRPA handles the new lending law in a presentation archived here.

Bottom line is if you jump through enough hoops -- owner is present, adult, non-prohibited student and the range have documented permission to do so... then technically you can...

... but since we have no way whatsoever to verify who is or isn't "prohibited" -- and many students may not know themselves -- then it's awfully shaky. Our lawyers think it's a trap and our instructions are to ask people to bring their own rifles.

You should have your own rifle anyway. They're historically cheap right now. Where it hurts is if rifles malfunction, then I can't just let you borrow my LTR to finish out the day. I'm not happy about these laws but I won't let it stop the mission.