PLEASE READ -- students with Smith & Wesson MP15-22 rifles

[as_rocketman]

(15th September, 2016) As directed by our national office, effective immediately, Project Appleseed will not be allowing S&W MP15-22 rifles on the line at any of its events until further notice. This follows an unusual number of out-of-battery discharge incidents at our events involving this model.

We cannot be certain of the actual cause and we are in close contact with the manufacturer to investigate this issue. However, while we wait for guidance from the manufacturer, we would be remiss in not taking preventative action, as safety of our students and instructors and their families is paramount.

If this poses a problem for any of our students, please contact us. We can usually arrange a loaner rifle, free of charge. If this is unacceptable or impossible, we will be glad to transfer or refund your registration.

We will keep you updated on this issue as it develops. Please feel free to contact us for clarification.

ETA: Loaners are no longer available effective 2017 due to new California laws. Bring spares if you have 'em. Luckily, .22 rifles are cheap!

[Cooler2442]

Wow. I was just about to buy this as a 22lr plinking rifle. I guess it's to be avoided?

[as_rocketman]

Wouldn't go that far. This could turn out to be nothing, or at worst, there could be a fix in the future. We just don't know yet.

[Red-Osier]

hmm, What kinda of numbers are we talking about, For out of battery discharge with this rifle?

[as_rocketman]

I don't have the statistics, but there have been several, indeed the majority of OOB incidents in recent months. This is a popular rifle on our lines, though, so it could turn out to be coincidence. We'll have to see what S&W can find out.

[Red-Osier]

Popular or not, Sounds like a problem. Thank's.

[clarkness@sbcglobal.net]

Is there a "correctative action" also? Then you must mean "preventive action". That pesky extra "a"!

Dictated to/typed by my trained monkey.

[as_rocketman]

While less popular, "Preventative" is also accepted in both historical and current usage. See here if you're sceptical.

I suspect that I find it more personally euphonic due to my training in the classics, but I never thought about it before.

[pennys dad]

The MP-15 22 had a recall on it a few years ago with an issue that caused an out of battery

[Ubermcoupe]

The MP-15 22 had a recall on it a few years ago with an issue that caused an out of battery

Any chance you have a link to the recall notice?

I wan't able to find anything off an quick google search that identified serial numbers.

FTR: I've had a great experience with my mp15-22, but if there's a recall I missed (had mine for a 5+ years now?)I would like to get it prophylactically fixed.

[Archon_g24]

Thanks for sharing. We've seen quite a few malfunctions with these rifles but never seen an oob.

[pennys dad]

http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-15-22/103187-m-p-15-22-repair-thread-fte.html

[Mitch]

(15th September, 2016) As directed by our national office, effective immediately, Project Appleseed will not be allowing S&W MP15-22 rifles on the line at any of its events until further notice. This follows an unusual number of out-of-battery discharge incidents at our events involving this model.

I've had one for years but have avoided shooting it because I had precisely this sort of AD with it once while attempting to clear a jam. It was pointed downrange of course, but boy does that wake you up when a rifle fires when you don't have your finger near the trigger.

Naturally, I was working with a n00b kid at the time, but far from being unhappy I thought it was a great lesson about why we always keep the rifle pointed in a safe direction. No one was hurt.

[clarkness@sbcglobal.net]

While less popular, "Preventative" is also accepted in both historical and current usage. See here if you're sceptical.

I suspect that I find it more personally euphonic due to my training in the classics, but I never thought about it before.

Just pointing out the disconnect. If there is no "Correctative " in general usage then "Preventative" is incorrect due to the correct spellings being used in conjunction so often in technical publications, MIL-STDs, MIL-STDs and such. Just because some number of editors missed it or let it go doesn't make it less incorrect. [emoji2]

Dictated to/typed by my trained monkey.

[ARFrog]

I was wondering if the S&W M&P 15-22 issue was ever resolved or if this particular rifle is still not allowed at Project Appleseed events.