Bad Avatars

[ptoguy2002]

I retract my "site suggestion," though I still maintain that it was a valid concern in the interests of the perception of CGN to outsiders.
Hopefully you can at least understand the point I was trying to make, whether reasonable or not.

[Shady]

yes your right
we should definitely ban all vidoe games dipicting tha too
and while were at it
lets just ban guns all together and we can all live happily in ignorant bliss

[tacticalcity]

That is from the hit film HEAT. Banning that here would cause a riot as it is one of the better films depicting proper firearm usage. While it contains many technical errors the film HEAT does demonstrate things like chamber checks, tactical reloads and all kinds of things Hollywood routinely ignores...something we gun owning film lovers appreciated seeing. Films that make an extra effort to depict proper firearms safety and techniques deserve our full support, and images from those film should NEVER be banned on a firearms forum. Doing so would make this forum part of the problem with regards to improper firearms safety and the perpetuation of foolish Hollywood myths about guns rather than the solution it is intended to be.

We should be less concerned about our "image" to over sensitive people and more concern about actually educating the public on firearms safety and proper gun handling. One keeps people in the dark, the other saves lives and helps prevent accidents. The priority seems clear to me.

Besides, the rules around here are draconian enough. The very LAST thing Calguns.net needs is another rule. I routinely see harmless threads get deleted, well meaning people get banned (temporally), and all kinds of ridiculous new rules being that really frustrate members who are hear just to enjoy themselves.

Above all else, Calguns.net should be fun. We are people who feel there are too many rules in life as it is, particularly those limited our second amendment rights. If you keep stacking unnecessary rule upon unnecessary rule on the members here, we'll eventually get fed up and leave. That would be a real shame. Because we like it here, and would like it even more if people just loosened up a bit.

Then again, I am Italian and this film stars both Al Pachino and Robert Dinero. So for me, insulting it is sacrilege. Of course I am going to defend it.

[DVSmith]

Really? Avatars? Are you serious? If you are concerned about public perception of this site, you should be far more worried about some of the posts.

[ptoguy2002]

yes your right
we should definitely ban all vidoe games dipicting tha too
and while were at it
lets just ban guns all together and we can all live happily in ignorant bliss

That is not what I am getting at.
The picture shows the CRIMINAL USE of a firearm, and is a lot different than video games or people's legit guns.

-> How about this: An avatar showing that guy with the AK in the North Hollywood shootout?

Think that one would be OK? How is that any better than some T&A?

[ptoguy2002]

Really? Avatars? Are you serious? If you are concerned about public perception of this site, you should be far more worried about some of the posts.

Yeah, I would agree on the posts, but what are you gonna do.....

[762.DEFENSE]

What irritates me about the North Hollywood shoot out, is that all the Democrats in Sacramento love to use it as to why CA should be more strict on gun control. Totally ignoring the fact that both men bought their weapons in AZ, modified them illegally and crossed over into California.

[762.DEFENSE]

The avatar doesn't bother me at all, what about now if people start posting up pictures of the movie "The Town?" Where they organize, plan and rob armored trucks and banks with illegally modified SMG's, tec-9's and AR/AK's? Both the Town and Heat were amazing movies in my opinion and demonizing fiction via avatars seems a little bit too far. Just my two cents.

[freonr22]

That is not what I am getting at.
The picture shows the CRIMINAL USE of a firearm, and is a lot different than video games or people's legit guns.

-> How about this: An avatar showing that guy with the AK in the North Hollywood shootout?

Think that one would be OK? How is that any better than some T&A?

I am ignorant, what is "criminal" about the avatar?

[i1800collect]

That is not what I am getting at.
The picture shows the CRIMINAL USE of a firearm, and is a lot different than video games or people's legit guns.

"Criminal" use in a movie. How is that different from firearms in video games?

-> How about this: An avatar showing that guy with the AK in the North Hollywood shootout?

I agree that this would be rather inappropriate as it happened in real life, not in a movie.

Think that one would be OK? How is that any better than some T&A?

movie != real life

I've only come across a few avatars that I thought were inappropriate, but they were caught by the mods fairly quickly and taken down/changed.

[ptoguy2002]

That is from the hit film HEAT. Banning that here would cause a riot as it is one of the better films depicting proper firearm usage. While it contains many technical errors the film HEAT does demonstrate things like chamber checks, tactical reloads and all kinds of things Hollywood routinely ignores...something we gun owning film lovers appreciated seeing. Films that make an extra effort to depict proper firearms safety and techniques deserve our full support, and images from those film should NEVER be banned on a firearms forum. Doing so would make this forum part of the problem with regards to improper firearms safety and the perpetuation of foolish Hollywood myths about guns rather than the solution it is intended to be.

Besides, the rules around here are draconian enough. The very LAST thing Calguns.net needs is another rule. I routinely see harmless threads get deleted, well meaning people get banned (temporally), and all kinds of ridiculous new rules being that really frustrate members who are hear just to enjoy themselves.

Above all else, Calguns.net should be fun. We are people who feel there are too many rules in life as it is, particularly those limited our second amendment rights. If you keep stacking unnecessary rule upon unnecessary rule on the members here, we'll eventually get fed up and leave. That would be a real shame. Because we like it here, and would like it even more if people just loosened up a bit.

I agree with all of what you have said, especially the ban hammer bit and the fun part.
BUT, it still shows the CRIMINAL USE of a firearm.

[tacticalcity]

The Hollywood Shoot Out Incident is directly responsible for law enforcement being allowed to have AR15s in their cars and them being trained to use and allowed to use head shots in failure to stop situations. Before that incident, both were strictly forbidden regardless of the circumstances.

Civilian ownership of AR15 rifles helped law enforcement prevail. Severely outgunned the police turned to a local gun shop for help. They borrowed AR15s to be better matched to their opponents. If not for that gun shop owner being legally allowed to stock and sell AR15 rifles the bank robbers / murders would have escaped.

Even then, the lack of proper training almost let them get away.

If you watch the video you police send round after round from handgun, shotgun and rifle into the bad guys. Scoring direct hits, but all to their body armor. Not once do they think of taking a head shot...even after SWAT arrives.

They claim to have taken the head shot that took out the bad guy in the side street that nearly escaped. This is a lie. The video clearly shows he accidentally shot himself in the head. Sounds nuts but it is clear as day. He gets a failure to fire. He then tilts the firearm upwards to look into the chamber to see if he has a stove pipe or double feed malfunction. This would be the proper thing to do, however he tilts the gun too far, and mussels his own head. Just then, the slow burning primer on the round still in chamber causes the round to fire, hitting him in the head. Killing him instantly. Cops take credit for the guy shooting himself in the head for PR reasons.

Almost immediately after this incident training changes from firing center mass only to two to the body and one to the head. Another incident a few year later changes training to two to the body, pause and evaluate then one to the head if necessary.

[stix213]

What irritates me about the North Hollywood shoot out, is that all the Democrats in Sacramento love to use it as to why CA should be more strict on gun control. Totally ignoring the fact that both men bought their weapons in AZ, modified them illegally and crossed over into California.

They do so even though the only fatalities in that incident were the heavily armed bank robbers, plus the assistance of a local gun shop providing civilian AR-15's to help the police was critical.

[ptoguy2002]

Is this one OK?
It is from a movie.


I guess I am in the minority here though....

[lewdogg21]

This thread is silly.

IBTL!

Oh noes, a dead animal is my avatar! (Yes it's me in the picture and I shot it)