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  • Kestryll
    Head Janitor
    • Oct 2005
    • 21584

    Where does Calguns go from here?

    I've been looking around here for a while now and I think we need to look at what we're going to do, be and become here in California, both as Calguns and as gun owners.

    There's no way to deny or candy coat the fact that we're in a bad place. As gun owners we're a 'safe target' for politicians, our rights are teetering on the edge of non-existence and frankly unless we're talking about social media where everyone's a 'no compromise' activist we're about as silent as a whipped dog who doesn't want to be hit again.

    We've had some truly tragic events recently, Gilroy, El Paso and Dayton, and while we as gun owners mourn the senseless loss of life the politicians who see our freedoms as something 'in the way' of their ability to control our lives use these tragedies as stepping stones towards their desire for a disarmed America.

    We talk a good game when we have a win, Freedom Week was great and everyone was all ready to go all Gadsden over their new magazines, but what happened a week or two later? The big discussions were over which companies hadn't delivered yet and what we'd been 'lucky enough to score'.

    When it comes right down to it maybe 5-8 out of every 100 gun owners is willing to do anything more than send in a membership check and then complain that nothing is being done.

    Yes, organizations like CRPA and NRA are fighting hard for us in the courts and despite the super-majority the anti-civil rights Democrats hold in California the CRPA and NRA have full time lobbyists in Sacramento trying to prevent bad bills from becoming bad laws. But the real question becomes is all we can do is let them carry our water and hope they win?

    There was a time, actually not that long ago, when members of Calguns were engaged and involved in efforts to fight for our rights. We closed down the capitol switchboards, overloaded their email servers and flooded their offices with letters. We had a voice, we used it and win or lose we never let them forget we were here, watching, voting and fighting.

    Things have changed, there's no denying it. The laws we face are worse than ever, many of us are 'represented' by the same Democrat anti-civil rights politicians that propose eliminating our Constitutional rights and it's very reasonable to be doubtful that they will listen to us at all. The question is do we give up and stay silent because they won't listen or do we become louder regardless of whether they listen or not?

    I've stated my position numerous times, I'm going to fight until I'm dead and I don't care who listens or doesn't I'm going to yell as loud as I can. While I do think that we hit a point of diminishing returns a while ago in regards to contacting our Legislators I still think it's useful to do so to remind them we haven't gone away or given up if nothing else.

    I think the future of our fight is twofold, litigation via orgs like CRPA and NRA especially now that the face of the 9th is being changed by new appointments and by working through the electoral process. Yes, we're outnumbered but there is still a LOT of us here and people are voting less each election which means win or lose our voice can stand out as something to be reckoned with. We're not going to change things quickly or everywhere all at once, we need to try to make changes locally first.


    As I said I've stated my thoughts numerous times but my thoughts aren't what count, your thoughts are what I need to hear.

    What do we as members of this community want from both this State and this community in the future?
    I've always tried to focus Calguns as a place where all are welcome and with a goal of working for our 2A rights, I've tried to keep Calguns workplace and family friendly so we could reach the next generation of gun owners and 2A supporters, I've tried to keep Calguns open to all points of view, Republican, Democrat, pro-2A and anti-2A with all having a voice as long as it is a civil voice.

    Is this still the road this community wants to follow or should we pick a new path?
    Should we refocus towards a single political ideology or Party?
    Should we forego the family and workplace friendly requirements expecting that younger members now are more 'worldly' and parents won't mind them seeing adult language, images and topics here?
    Should we limit discussion to solely pro-2A and not allow members to post opinions and views that aren't pro 2A?
    Should we loosen or remove the rules mandating civil discussion and behavior among members, allow insults, name calling and rude posts?
    Should we focus more on being a 'gun talk' community and less on 2A rights, moving towards being a social community rather than a civil rights focused community?


    We've become stagnant and frankly a bit complacent and I don't blame anyone more than myself.
    They say a fish rots from the head down and I've felt rather disconnected and disengaged for a while now.

    I think it might be time to either reengage or find a new direction to focus on and since it is this community, not me, that built Calguns in to what it is I want to hear from you what path you think we should choose.
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  • #2
    kmas
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2014
    • 1315

    Reply being penned ...
    Last edited by kmas; 08-19-2019, 1:31 PM.

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    • #3
      jarhead714
      Calguns Addict
      • Dec 2012
      • 8597

      I think will be un-American to limit members who do not have a pro second amendment view of things. Not only that, it would be awfully boring.

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      • #4
        theLBC
        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
        CGN Contributor
        • Oct 2017
        • 6665

        great questions.

        i am wrong to suspect open activism is low because in today's digital information age, it is too easy for our enemies to hurt us once we openly identify ourselves?

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        • #5
          Citadelgrad87
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Mar 2007
          • 16842

          Originally posted by tony270
          It's easy to be a keyboard warrior, you would melt like wax in front of me, you wouldn't be able to move your lips.
          Originally posted by repubconserv
          Print it out and frame it for all I care
          Originally posted by el chivo
          I don't need to think at all..
          Originally posted by pjsig
          You are talking to someone who already won this lame conversation, not a brick a wall. Too bad you don't realize it.
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          • #6
            kmas
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2014
            • 1315

            Thank you

            Oh, Elder of the Calguns Tribe,

            Thanks for initiating this.

            Here are my answers to your Q's from someone who is:

            ex-UK (where all our parties are traditionally left of America's)
            ex-active military (teaching now)
            Still friendly with liberals and white supremacists (old friends who have developed these views over the years)

            -----------------------------------------------------------------
            YOUR QUESTIONS:

            "Is this still the road this community wants to follow or should we pick a new path? Partially, but ...

            Should we refocus towards a single political ideology or Party? NO

            Should we forego the family and workplace friendly requirements expecting that younger members now are more 'worldly' and parents won't mind them seeing adult language, images and topics here? NO

            Should we limit discussion to solely pro-2A and not allow members to post opinions and views that aren't pro 2A? NO

            Should we loosen or remove the rules mandating civil discussion and behavior among members, allow insults, name calling and rude posts? NO

            Should we focus more on being a 'gun talk' community and less on 2A rights, moving towards being a social community rather than a civil rights focused community? NO "

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            All we need to do is take to heart your suggestions for more active involvement.

            I have been "brainwashing" my hundreds of students - civilian and military - about the joys of gun ownership and shooting.

            My children who live on the Eastern side of our great country are often asked : "what?? you're from California and you like guns and go shooting !!?"

            About a third of my students have gone to the range (I've taken a few ...) and maybe a third of those end up becoming gun owners, while others still enjoy range time with rented guns.

            Of course as you mention, we also need to get involved with our govt. reps.
            Last edited by kmas; 08-19-2019, 1:30 PM.

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            • #7
              Kyle1886
              Veteran Member
              • Dec 2009
              • 3740

              I'm going to look at your "questions" as either a "YES" or "NO" questionnaire.

              Is this still the road this community wants to follow or should we pick a new path?

              Yes.

              Should we refocus towards a single political ideology or Party?

              No.

              Should we forego the family and workplace friendly requirements expecting that younger members now are more 'worldly' and parents won't mind them seeing adult language, images and topics here?

              No.

              Should we limit discussion to solely pro-2A and not allow members to post opinions and views that aren't pro 2A?

              No.

              Should we loosen or remove the rules mandating civil discussion and behavior among members, allow insults, name calling and rude posts?

              No.

              Should we focus more on being a 'gun talk' community and less on 2A rights, moving towards being a social community rather than a civil rights focused community?

              No.

              Respectfully
              Kyle
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              • #8
                therealnickb
                King- Lifetime
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Oct 2011
                • 8919

                F bombs and insults don't win arguments or impress anyone for that matter.

                How do you get the membership more involved? IDK. But I've not seen too many requests for help.

                Some smart person can probably compose a list of "to do's".

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                • #9
                  M60A1Rise
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2017
                  • 899

                  I don't post much heck I lurked for about 2 years before even joining but I like this place.

                  Do I agree with everything posted here ? HECK NO but i've gotten quite a bit of information too. Civil discussion is a norm on ALL message boards as well as society so yeah keep that. If some choose not to follow than yes there should be a cost.

                  On the political front I think if you focus on only one side you end up with what we have in the world already , a bunch of ignorant fools lol. Heck there are some ignorant fools here , some I like some I wouldn't take a leak on if on fire , if I knew them in person. Not saying there aren't some who may feel the same about me but I can live with that , can they ?

                  This board sometimes reminds me of the military , you know a bunch of people that don't really know each other but have something in common that brings them together. There is stuff posted here that if I knew the person i'd probably end up buying them a beer OR one of us would be injured lmao. But it doesn't keep me away because I understand differences in opinions doesn't make either party right.

                  I enjoy firearms and the knowledge this board has given me on things I didn't know about.

                  We could/should figure out some ways to attend town halls and court dates to show our strength , that may help us ?
                  Last edited by M60A1Rise; 08-19-2019, 1:40 PM.
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                  • #10
                    HUTCH 7.62
                    In Memoriam
                    • Aug 2006
                    • 11298

                    I worry we are loosing ground also, but I feel it is more due to members fleeing California and becoming refugees in free states, with that said. How do we get our out of state members more involved, or keep them involved?
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                    Some say that he rode a dirtbike 7k miles across the country and that he once applied Bengay to his own testicles for a mere $50............They call him, the Hutch -Top Gear

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                    • #11
                      9mmContagion
                      Veteran Member
                      • Mar 2013
                      • 3242

                      I think we are good as is.. the only thing we need more of is, activism. The problem the pro gun, republican, right wing side, is we all have jobs and families that depend on us. If I could afford it, I’d be marching the steps every day. But the truth is many of us can’t! We work for our food, insurance, cell phones, etc.

                      Is there some way we can do it? I’m sure! But I not have the answer. I do know that we need more activism though. Even a promotional commercial that could be aired on tv about concealed carry and the good things that guns help with.
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                      • #12
                        johnthomas
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 7001

                        Originally posted by HUTCH 7.62
                        I worry we are loosing ground also, but I feel it is more due to members fleeing California and becoming refugees in free states, with that said. How do we get our out of state members more involved, or keep them involved?
                        I am one of which you speak. CA going down the tubes is an example of what we all can expect and reason to stay involved. For every State that fights back and wins court battles, it only strengthens CA folk's resolve. Many of us that has left the state, still belongs to Calguns as well as other gun forums. Many of us still contribute to the cause in CA as well as our new state and Nationally. I do agree with you, we need to stay involved in CA. Gun laws follow us wherever we go.
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                        • #13
                          hunterb
                          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                          CGN Contributor
                          • Jun 2011
                          • 3794

                          We must capture the minds of the youth.
                          Maybe some sort of a CalGuns youth drive to gain new shooters?

                          Even a "Call of Duty" type shoot based on video games for young shooters to teach them about the 2nd amendment and gun safety? Like Appleseed meets Call of Duty?

                          More youth shooting events for IDPA, USPSA, ATA, etc? Make stages like "Grand Theft Auto" with animated graphics pasted on targets and such?

                          ....someone younger might have better ideas on how to attract the youngsters!
                          Originally posted by johnthomas
                          ...The hardest part getting rid of crap is getting started.

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                          • #14
                            jarhead714
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Dec 2012
                            • 8597

                            It’s a car culture, not a gun culture.

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                            • #15
                              Lonestargrizzly not a Cabinetguy
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Dec 2015
                              • 6504

                              I definitely don’t think that the family friendly aspect should be changed.

                              I view this place as the old bar where I hang out with the old and middle aged folks that share most of my values and viewpoints and help me develop my views on things or put in words things that I can’t.

                              I act up every now and then and get put into my place with no real world repercussions.

                              I like this bar. Don’t go disco, keep it country.

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