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[Palmetto State Armory]

Is PSA going to change it's policies on shipping complete serialized receivers to CA?

Currently we do not, we will ship stripped lowers though and kits so you can build it to California compliance. We do not yet have the man power to build to each states individual requirements. That is something we are working on but we are not there yet.

[rice_man]

Welcome back -

Thanks for supporting us here in California.

Being July 1st will you continue to ship ammo directly to FFL03 holders as you have prior? It seems other vendors are have started to jump ship rather than deal with the effort of sorting through our constant changes in laws.

[code_blue]

Currently we do not, we will ship stripped lowers though and kits so you can build it to California compliance. We do not yet have the man power to build to each states individual requirements. That is something we are working on but we are not there yet.

It's the same as any other "free state" and exactly as your are selling them everywhere else.

Both a stripped and a complete lower are considered as lowers to CA. There are no laws against assembled serialized receivers. The prohibition is on completed firearms with offending features.

CA owners have been advising PSA on this for a long time, but PSA doesn't seem to accept it.

[Palmetto State Armory]

It's the same as any other "free state" and exactly as your are selling them everywhere else.

Both a stripped and a complete lower are considered as lowers to CA. There are no laws against assembled serialized receivers. The prohibition is on completed firearms with offending features.

CA owners have been advising PSA on this for a long time, but PSA doesn't seem to accept it.

This is just the company policy as it currently sits. After discussions with our compliance team it was decided that this was the best path forward to protect PSA and its customers from inadvertently breaking the law.

Thanks,

Tye

[Palmetto State Armory]

Welcome back -

Thanks for supporting us here in California.

Being July 1st will you continue to ship ammo directly to FFL03 holders as you have prior? It seems other vendors are have started to jump ship rather than deal with the effort of sorting through our constant changes in laws.

While we are learning the ins and outs of these new laws we will only be shipping to 01s and 07s.

[SoCalSammy]

While we are learning the ins and outs of these new laws we will only be shipping to 01s and 07s.

Well thats disappointing. Let us know when you want our business back.

Change the title to "We Left"

[code_blue]

This is just the company policy as it currently sits. After discussions with our compliance team it was decided that this was the best path forward to protect PSA and its customers from inadvertently breaking the law.

Thanks,

Tye

How could your customers inadvertently break the law if the receiving FFL controls/regulates what comes in? The local FFL determines whether or not the firearm is legal and if they can transfer it to the patron. Receivers are completely fine; built or not.

I'm a local FFL that's tried to stock your products like the solid AR/AK hybrid, but your policy to not ship to CA killed that idea. My customers know this as well.

While we are learning the ins and outs of these new laws we will only be shipping to 01s and 07s.

The new ammo regs have nothing to do with FFL03+COE or other exempt folks from importing ammunition into the state. If you've shipped ammo to these persons before, it should not change.

The new regs on 07/01/19 only apply to the local transfer (inside CA) to persons via ammunition dealer or FFL or Private Persons.

PSA shipping private orders to FFL's would only result in the receiving FFL needing to perform the eligibility check when transferring to the otherwise exempt person, which completely voids the point of them being exempt to begin with. They may as well buy directly from the FFL at that point.

Again, CA folks including FFL's on the receiving end are advising your entity, but your entity isn't listening or rather ignoring it.



I get it, it's your business and your rules, but don't go Optics Planet or Sig Store on us and start making up non-sense. If PSA ever refuses to ship an upper or individual components because it has a "flash hider" attached, then I think we're done.

[X-MAN]

How could your customers inadvertently break the law if the receiving FFL controls/regulates what comes in? The local FFL determines whether or not the firearm is legal and if they can transfer it to the patron. Receivers are completely fine; built or not.

I'm a local FFL that's tried to stock your products like the solid AR/AK hybrid, but your policy to not ship to CA killed that idea. My customers know this as well.






The new ammo regs have nothing to do with FFL03+COE or other exempt folks from importing ammunition into the state. If you've shipped ammo to these persons before, it should not change.

The new regs on 07/01/19 only apply to the local transfer (inside CA) to persons via ammunition dealer or FFL or Private Persons.

PSA shipping private orders to FFL's would only result in the receiving FFL needing to perform the eligibility check when transferring to the otherwise exempt person, which completely voids the point of them being exempt to begin with. They may as well buy directly from the FFL at that point.

Again, CA folks including FFL's on the receiving end are advising your entity, but your entity isn't listening or rather ignoring it.



I get it, it's your business and your rules, but don't go Optics Planet or Sig Store on us and start making up non-sense. If PSA ever refuses to ship an upper or individual components because it has a "flash hider" attached, then I think we're done.

with that said........can you kindly give us even a rough time frame on when your KS-47/AR 9 lowers, full uppers and or full rifle versions of both of these will be back in stock?.....Like are you currently building or restocking components to make available in the next few months?.....Late summer?....maybe FALL? or WINTER???.....Early next year????......Sometimes I wonder if maybe you guys just wait to build a hefty "notify me when in stock" list and then start maufacturing and then releasing based on that list. That way you minimize on having inventory that just sits there.

[rice_man]

While we are learning the ins and outs of these new laws we will only be shipping to 01s and 07s.

FYI - One of our FFL03 supporters got it figured out pretty quickly by calling and confirming with California DOJ directly.

Hope you get it sorted and we can put PSA back on our list.

[awiner]

[Palmetto State Armory]

How could your customers inadvertently break the law if the receiving FFL controls/regulates what comes in? The local FFL determines whether or not the firearm is legal and if they can transfer it to the patron. Receivers are completely fine; built or not.

I'm a local FFL that's tried to stock your products like the solid AR/AK hybrid, but your policy to not ship to CA killed that idea. My customers know this as well.






The new ammo regs have nothing to do with FFL03+COE or other exempt folks from importing ammunition into the state. If you've shipped ammo to these persons before, it should not change.

The new regs on 07/01/19 only apply to the local transfer (inside CA) to persons via ammunition dealer or FFL or Private Persons.

PSA shipping private orders to FFL's would only result in the receiving FFL needing to perform the eligibility check when transferring to the otherwise exempt person, which completely voids the point of them being exempt to begin with. They may as well buy directly from the FFL at that point.

Again, CA folks including FFL's on the receiving end are advising your entity, but your entity isn't listening or rather ignoring it.



I get it, it's your business and your rules, but don't go Optics Planet or Sig Store on us and start making up non-sense. If PSA ever refuses to ship an upper or individual components because it has a "flash hider" attached, then I think we're done.

Sorry, just letting you know what our current policy is. If anything changes you all will be the first know.

Thanks,

Tye

[Palmetto State Armory]

with that said........can you kindly give us even a rough time frame on when your KS-47/AR 9 lowers, full uppers and or full rifle versions of both of these will be back in stock?.....Like are you currently building or restocking components to make available in the next few months?.....Late summer?....maybe FALL? or WINTER???.....Early next year????......Sometimes I wonder if maybe you guys just wait to build a hefty "notify me when in stock" list and then start maufacturing and then releasing based on that list. That way you minimize on having inventory that just sits there.

I'm, currently seeing a couple AR9 stripped lowers and completed uppers in stock currently. The KS47 is currently in full swing, but with the Gen 2 we will not be selling any stripped lowers, just complete.

Thanks,

Tye

[Palmetto State Armory]

FYI - One of our FFL03 supporters got it figured out pretty quickly by calling and confirming with California DOJ directly.

Hope you get it sorted and we can put PSA back on our list.

Thanks! I will forward this along to our compliance team.

-Tye

[49ercolt55]

Will you ever have ar47 pistol upper back in stock , haven’t seen any since the beginning of the year ??
Thanks ,
Pablo

[Palmetto State Armory]

Yes, we will. We are currently making them in small batches. With the popularity of the KS-47 we have had to pull resources over to it to keep up.

Thanks,

Tye