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  • #61
    Asphodel
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2009
    • 1974

    Originally posted by vintagearms
    I agree with everything you stated but you have to agree that some "clients" abuse (or attempt to) that policy as well.
    Actually, no, not on my watch, or of those whom I train to have charge of the line at the range.

    Its ever so simple. Any form of abusive or discourteous behaviour, by anyone at the range facility, will not be tolerated.

    Its the duty of the range officer in charge of the line to constantly observe the range users, and respond quickly to any observed mis-behaviour.

    At the discretion of the range officer who has charge of the line, mis-behaviour may be considered 'petty', and the wrong-doer 'warned' or 'politely reprimanded', or may be considered to be a 'potential range safety hazard', in which case the offending range user will be ejected from the range.

    Any abusive behaviour, even something as seemingly petty as taking another person's brass without their permission, will be cause for 'warning', at first sight, and for summary ejection from the range if the individual continues to mis-behave after one warning.

    I require 'courtesy and decorum' on the firing line at all times, so even the slightest 'breach of decorum' is subject to warning.

    Obviously, anyone displaying serious negligence in weapons handling is subject to immediate ejection. A live-fire line is no place for clowns, or the incompetent, at any time.

    This may, possibly, appear 'extreme' to some, but a live-fire range is a 'deadly serious' operation. The users of the range may, and often do, include people who are new to shooting, and so may respond inappropriately.....or in a hazardous manner....to any distraction.

    Anyone appearing to 'crowd' a shooter to pick up brass would be considered to be creating an unsafe condition, and warned, or ejected, at the discretion of the range officer in charge of the line.

    Asking politely for someone's brass, when its convenient to do so, and does not distract that person (or anyone else) in a potentially unsafe manner, is perfectly acceptable.

    The person asked has the right to say 'no'......and 'no means no'.....anyone observed abusing that condition is subject to immediate ejection from the range.

    (yes, even seemingly 'petty' details are 'taken seriously'.....we have a safety record to preserve, and we will preserve it)

    edited.......just for clarity, 'ejected' means 'kicked out of the range, no argument, leave now, or the range officer will call dispatch for a beat unit to escort you from the range, and take an incident report.'

    cheers

    Carla
    Last edited by Asphodel; 08-12-2014, 2:33 PM.

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    • #62
      madjack956
      Veteran Member
      • Jan 2006
      • 2617

      Originally posted by vintagearms
      Picking up your own brass is one thing. Picking up someone else's brass or scavenging the line looking for brass is another. I'm sure you and I can agree on that.
      Yes Sir, we can.
      Paralyzed Veterans of America www.pva.org

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      • #63
        Mitch
        Mostly Harmless
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Mar 2008
        • 6574

        Originally posted by bajadan
        Never been to a range that doesn't allow it. But with spent Brass going for close to $2.00lb at recycler you can see why. Some of the nicer ranges in OC take in over 100k year from the recycler on top of there reloading sells. Its big business in U.S.
        I have no doubt about it, but how much of a dent do the reloaders who collect their own brass (or other people's brass) really put into that haul? I doubt it is very much, and certainly not worth the loss of goodwill for being a brass Nazi with some of your most reliable customers.

        And before the "walk a mile in their shoes" brigade shows up to tell me I don't know anything about their business, I have been running my own manufacturing business for ten years. One of the hallmarks of our operation is that if any customer calls in for any reason to get replacement parts (usually hardware and stuff, but sometimes bigger items), we put it in the mail, no questions asked. We check the cost of this annually and we send out several hundred dollars in hardware every month. That's a fraction of what we pay in advertising and PR every month, but plenty of businesses will make a big deal about charging customers for every screw, every washer.

        Do some of our customers abuse our policy? Of course they do. But they still cost us very little in the end, especially compared to what it would cost in goodwill to police such people more aggressively.

        A lot of people, especially people in the firearms industry, can't see the forest for the trees.
        Originally posted by cockedandglocked
        Getting called a DOJ shill has become a rite of passage around here. I've certainly been called that more than once - I've even seen Kes get called that. I haven't seen Red-O get called that yet, which is very suspicious to me, and means he's probably a DOJ shill.

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        • #64
          Aldemar
          On Everyone's Ignore List
          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
          • Dec 2007
          • 4707


          Let me know how bad your chamber looks after a few dozen rounds.
          AL
          CGF Contributor
          NRA Golden Eagle

          Being north of
          70 has definite advantages: I was able to do all my stupid stuff before video cameras, smartphones, utube, and the internet.

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          • #65
            AAShooter
            CGN/CGSSA Contributor
            CGN Contributor
            • May 2010
            • 7188

            Here is a handy way to mark your brass . . . developed by an action pistol shooter in Norcal.

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            • #66
              sl0re10
              Calguns Addict
              • Jan 2013
              • 7242

              Originally posted by vintagearms
              Picking up your own brass is one thing. Picking up someone else's brass or scavenging the line looking for brass is another. I'm sure you and I can agree on that.
              Sure; unless the RO is swiping yours even after being asked not to. Then turn about is fair play.

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              • #67
                RR.44
                CGSSA Leader
                • Mar 2012
                • 1932

                I had this happen to me at Burro Canyon, I was picking up my brass and the guys brass that was next to me, I had asked him if he was a reloader and he said no, so I asked him if it would be OK if I picked up his brass so I could reload it. He said he didn't have a problem with that, when I started picking up his brass the RO told me that I couldn't pick up other people's brass only my own. They made me feel like I had done something wrong, I haven't been back since.
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                • #68
                  SG29736
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2009
                  • 1073

                  So which is it? At first you complained about why they should harass someone over a few dozen cases, than you brag about walking out with your "fat" bag of brass. That's the problem. It's the guys that go in and shoot 100 rounds and then try to scarf up 500 pieces of brass. Mark

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                  • #69
                    Mitch
                    Mostly Harmless
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 6574

                    Originally posted by SG29736
                    So which is it? At first you complained about why they should harass someone over a few dozen cases, than you brag about walking out with your "fat" bag of brass. That's the problem. It's the guys that go in and shoot 100 rounds and then try to scarf up 500 pieces of brass. Mark
                    That guy might be the problem, but it's not a very big problem.
                    Originally posted by cockedandglocked
                    Getting called a DOJ shill has become a rite of passage around here. I've certainly been called that more than once - I've even seen Kes get called that. I haven't seen Red-O get called that yet, which is very suspicious to me, and means he's probably a DOJ shill.

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                    • #70
                      thomashoward
                      In Memoriam
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 1991

                      use a brass catcher...no problems.
                      I only shoot bolt or revolver if I can't get my own brass.or don't shoot there
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                      • #71
                        SandDiegoDuner
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2009
                        • 522

                        Save up your tired brass and those with loose primer pockets and reload it for a final time for use at ranges where they don't allow you to pick up your brass.

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                        • #72
                          UBFRAGD
                          Banned
                          • Aug 2007
                          • 2701

                          If you're benched homemade brass catchers can be made out of anything. I keep 'em just in case I live forever and have the time to reload.

                          I'm not picking up after action shooting, stomped brass is scrap.

                          The range I live near is cool about brass. Pick it up if you want it. If not it gets broomed up every couple hours or so. I often leave piles of donations as a thanks guys, I had a good couple hours of shooting.

                          You want a laugh? Back in '10 I was up in Norcal BLM and there was always this dude in a red campered pick-up at the BLM range selling ammo and talking talking talking. Well I didn't drive all the way up their to talk. I was not interested in picking brass; I wanted to prove my gear.

                          Dude was literally dancing on my right catching brass, a human brass catcher.

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