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  • BonnieB
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2012
    • 1969

    Almost Carjacked - by MrsKitty

    This post is copied here, by permission of MrsKitty on Glocktalk.com. It received more than 225 replies and almost 50,000 views (yes, 50K !), adding good advice and information. Bravo to Mrs Kitty! I thought our folks here should read this and be aware, always.

    Bonnie B

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    (By MrsKitty) I have already posted this in GNG and T&T. As somebody suggested, I am posting it here as well. I have no idea why but it didn't dawn on me that this was a women's issue too. I hope somebody can be helped by my experience:

    I stopped just before a stoplight yesterday about 3:30 in a very busy intersection in a nice part of a pretty good-sized city, when the doofus in front of me decided to do something really stupid--pratically turn completely around in the middle of about a eight or nine lane highway/intersection. While I am stopped waiting for them to get out of the way, some guy comes up behind me and hits me. Hard enough to scare me, but not hard enough to really hurt my car.

    I immediately pick up my phone and call 911. I am watching the guy in my rearview mirror and when he gets out of the car he puts his left hand in his pocket like he is trying to hide something. I reach for my Glock. I have it ready before he gets to my door, but hidden down behind my leg where he can't see it.

    I am a single blonde (some would automatically assume that makes me stupid...) female driving a current model car. Yet, I don't assume nothing at this point. After all it is raining, and he could have just slid on the wet asphalt.

    The guy asks me if I am ok. I tell him yes, he mainly scared me. He comes closer. I tell him to "back away from the car." He says that I need to get out and look at the car, that he has really messed up the rear end. I tell him later. He insists I look right then since I "have got to fix it right now". I tell him that I don't exactly have a body shop with me nor can I fix it, so I am not concerned until I get an estimate about that since I know insurance will cover it.

    He comes closer and I tell him to "back away from the car" again. Well, he then tells me that he will get me his insurance info only if I get out and come back to his car. I tell him that he can go get it himeself and bring it back to me. I repeat my warning to back away from the car. He looks at me stupidly. I ask him "do you understand what back away from the car means?"

    He takes a few steps back and calls somebody. I crack the back window enough I can hear him agitatedly telling them "No,no, I can't do that." Then, "No, that won't work." And finally, "No, I don't think she will do that" followed by "I don't think I can" while he is dancing around. Well, while he is on the phone I call back to 911 and tell them that he keeps trying to get me out of the car. The female dispacther immediately tells me not to get out (like I would!!) no matter what and to run if I need to. She asks if I have a way to defend myself. I tell her that I do have a permit and I already have the gun out. She tells me to not to hesitate to protect myself.

    He comes back and walks almost right up to the window. I start to raise my gun and tell him to "back away from the car". He comes closer and I tell him, "You really need to back away from this car right now before I feel like I have to protect myself. Do you understand?" He looks at me, quickly takes a couple steps backwards and tells me that he is moving his car off the road into an adjacent parking lot. I tell him "Fine. Then you need to stay in your car until the police arrive. Do you understand?" He says, "You called the police?" I tell him yes, twice. He hauls butt to the car and runs. The last I saw of him was his taillights under the red light he ran.

    I feel like he had intentions of carjacking me, but he was either unsure of himself/inexperienced or I suprised him when he got close enough to see a 6-D cell MagLite in my lap and me obviously hiding something else behind my leg. He never did take his left hand out of the pocket. When he was dialing, it was more than obvious that he was left handed but he kept fumbling with his right hand only. I believe he had a weapon of some sort in there, most likely a small gun.

    Am I jumping to conclusions? Do you all think that he was going to carjack me? Did I handle things right? What would you have done differently?

    Thanks for you input.
    Last edited by BonnieB; 09-22-2012, 4:23 PM.
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  • #2
    CBlacksheep
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2011
    • 1280

    Originally posted by BonnieB
    I am a single blonde (some would automatically assume that makes me stupid...) female driving a current model car. Yet, I don't assume nothing at this point.
    That's amusing.
    Originally posted by John Stark
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    • #3
      Bugguts
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2012
      • 1286

      Originally posted by BonnieB

      I am a single blonde (some would automatically assume that makes me stupid...) female
      That doesn't make you stupid, it makes you a target for unwanted advances. LOL Then again, it could make you an anomaly

      Ok, on the serious side, you did every thing right. And kudos on your quick thinking! It has been my habit since forever to lock my doors upon entering my car. I've always done it. One day in Target parking lot, I load my car, get in, hit the lock button and look over my right shoulder to start backing out when suddenly someone hits my window. Startled the Hell out of me. I turn to see this black man and he says "You locked your doors" "Yes I did and???" "You did it because I'm black" "No, I did it because it's a habit and if you are trying to prove that you're a decent black man, slamming on my window and calling me racist is not helping your position"

      Jeez what a dumbass.

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      • #4
        vision1214
        Member
        • Jul 2012
        • 109

        Every thing was done perfectly - reading this post, I immediately thought either car jack or he would push you in his car. Applauding the actions you took!!!! Getting bumped by a car usually is an accident but you don't know that - Bravo girl!!!!!

        Wow Bugguts - what a weird encounter. I don't care if they are purple. Everyone is a threat as far as I am concerned until proven otherwise.

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        • #5
          vision1214
          Member
          • Jul 2012
          • 109

          I will tell you something happening here. I have an emergency button on the outside of the garage just in case the key pad doesn't work, you can alert the people inside - LET me in!!!!! Last week, three nights in a row ( around 1am) and one morning around 9am, that alarm has gone off. I was getting ready to leave that morning so I was at the back door getting ready to open the garage door and the emergency sound started. I had enough. I pulled my gun, got beside the outside refrigerator and opened the garage door with my gun pointed in that direction.

          As the door raised, I saw four legs standing there and I announce...if you are still there by the time this door opens, I hope you have medical insurance because I will blow your *** off. Four legs started running. I closed the door, ran back in the house to the front and out the door. There they were - 2 teenages we have been looking for - we have had a rash of cars being broken into ----- got the make of their car and license number as they sped off. Called the police - can't believe they called back later in the day - but they said they had them and pretty sure these are the two we have been looking for.... Maybe I should have called the police and not opened that door but something in me was sick to death of this mess. I bet we will not see their butts around here again.

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          • #6
            Bugguts
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2012
            • 1286

            Originally posted by vision1214
            Every thing was done perfectly - reading this post, I immediately thought either car jack or he would push you in his car. Applauding the actions you took!!!! Getting bumped by a car usually is an accident but you don't know that - Bravo girl!!!!!

            Wow Bugguts - what a weird encounter. I don't care if they are purple. Everyone is a threat as far as I am concerned until proven otherwise.
            It was weird. It was also before I even started shooting guns but it was like "WTH?" If I am in a parking lot(or anywhere actually) and hear someone lock their doors, I don't assume it's because they see me, this 5'1", 200lb white woman with a limp, is some kind of threat. Hell some cars actually lock doors automatically upon reaching like 5mph or something like that?

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            • #7
              Eldraque
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2012
              • 1984

              i feel like this lady overreacted a little? seems to me like a normal car accident where youd be expected to pull over, get out, and exchange information/assess the damage. not sit in your car and threaten people with guns and the police.

              Then again im a tall guy and so am not usually threatened by the average dancing doofus

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              Last edited by Eldraque; 09-22-2012, 5:16 PM.

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              • #8
                SilverTauron
                Calguns Addict
                • Jan 2012
                • 5699

                Originally posted by Eldraque
                i feel like this lady overreacted a little? seems to me like a normal car accident where youd be expected to pull over, get out, and exchange information/assess the damage. not sit in your car and threaten people with guns and the police.
                I strongly disagree.

                In a normal car accident, the other guy is usually inspecting their car for damage right away before initiating contact. For the other party to immediately approach the drivers side of the car suggests they don't care about the condition of their vehicle-and that, friend, is cause for concern.

                Originally posted by Eldraque
                Then again im a tall guy and so am not usually threatened by the average dancing doofus
                Perhaps. But car accidents are a chance encounter by nature. Hopefully the idiot who hits your vehicle has insurance and is otherwise an upstanding individual. Its also possible the guy or gal who hit you is a felon with an outstanding warrant, who's well aware that cops tend to show up on accident scenes. There may not even need to be that kind of backstory:the other guy could just mentally snap from the accident and decide beating you to a pulp is a great idea.

                Caution after an accident is a prudent thing, and MrsKitty did the right thing.
                The more prohibitions you have, the less virtuous people will be.
                The more subsidies you have, the less self reliant people will be.
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                • #9
                  CSACANNONEER
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                  • Dec 2006
                  • 44093

                  Sounds like MrsKitty has more situational awareness and intelect than many including at least one calgunner. Even though she had a firearm with her to uise as a secondary means of self defense, he obviously did the right thing in not exiting her primary self defense weapon and means of escape.

                  Originally posted by Eldraque
                  i feel like this lady overreacted a little? seems to me like a normal car accident where youd be expected to pull over, get out, and exchange information/assess the damage. not sit in your car and threaten people with guns and the police.
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                  • #10
                    Bugguts
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2012
                    • 1286

                    I agree with Silver and CSA and will also add that there are those criminals, who work in teams when it comes to car accidents. Person in front stops suddenly, middle car stop and third car rear-ends middle car, making for a tidy little sum in a rear-end collision settlement.

                    Not sure how reliable this link is but it is from Canada and explains pretty well the set-ups that are sometimes used.

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                    • #11
                      Bugguts
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2012
                      • 1286

                      Originally posted by Eldraque
                      i feel like this lady overreacted a little? seems to me like a normal car accident where youd be expected to pull over, get out, and exchange information/assess the damage. not sit in your car and threaten people with guns and the police.

                      Then again im a tall guy and so am not usually threatened by the average dancing doofus

                      "Any SIG is a good SIG. And the only thing I like better than owning one is owning two"
                      People like you, men, big men, large men, whatever kind of man, is not usually going to be a target anyway. The criminal is going for the perceived weak one in the herd, usually they assume it will be a woman and when it turns out the the woman is not the weak easy target that they thought she was, they do not pursue.

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                      • #12
                        meaty-btz
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Sep 2010
                        • 8980

                        I am glad that she is ok and not just another statistic. I will take an unlimited number of banged up bumpers over one dead/raped/kidnaped lady.

                        I disagree with CSCannon though, her first and most used weapon of defense was her brain. The car is second and as always the gun is the last line. She not only used her brain but she kept her cool and kept her focus and her brain in gear.

                        The only down side to this story is that the perps continue to remain on the hunt for prey.
                        ...but their exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level, and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom.

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                        • #13
                          PM720
                          Calguns.net Shooting Team
                          • Apr 2010
                          • 2158

                          I will go out on a limb here and say she 100% did the right thing. Excellent situational awareness and a proper measured response. Well done!

                          Scott

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                          • #14
                            Eldraque
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2012
                            • 1984

                            Originally posted by Bugguts
                            People like you, men, big men, large men, whatever kind of man, is not usually going to be a target anyway. The criminal is going for the perceived weak one in the herd, usually they assume it will be a woman and when it turns out the the woman is not the weak easy target that they thought she was, they do not pursue.
                            This makes sense, thanks for giving me perspective. people dont ever really mess with me.

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                            • #15
                              TMcC
                              CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                              • Jul 2011
                              • 920

                              I realize this is the Ladies forum, but the title of this post caught my eye. I thought the OP was almost carjacked by MrsKitty. Anyway, back on topic. MrsKitty sounds very smart. Who knows what the outcome would have been, maybe he bolted because he had a car full of drugs, maybe he had a bunch of cash in his pocket to try and pay off the victim. Who knows, but it really does not matter, MrsKitty did the right thing.

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