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  • BadKitty
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2011
    • 1409

    Dilemma - Roommate leaves door unlocked

    Hi Ladies,


    I've got something to run by you all. Please forgive the long story - I'm part venting and part seeking advice.


    I live in a condo with two other women, one of whom is the owner - all three of us are professionals in our early 30s. The condo neighborhood itself is relatively "nice enough" and "safe enough", but the surrounding neighborhoods are a bit rough around the edges. I don't fear getting shot up by gangsters at any moment; but, the neighborhood is admittedly sketchy in many sections and I don't make it a point to walk or drive through certain areas after dark. A few months ago, a man was murdered in the canyon about two blocks away. This past week we had a home invasion robbery about 2 miles around the corner.


    Right.....and when my roommate (the non-owner) leaves for work at about 5:30am - 6am, she leaves the sliding glass door unlocked.


    We have a layout where no one uses the front door - we all enter and exit through the back patio via a sliding glass door. It has a keyed lock, which is awkward for locking purposes. The sliding door has to be seated just right to make sure that the latches catch and turning the key is hard when you've got a bunch of keys on the chain like I do. Holding bags, purses, boxes, etc are a no-go....I usually have to set my bags and coffee cup down on the deck in order to make sure my hands are free to lock up properly.


    Based on my observations thus far, I think roomie struggles with the concept of putting her stuff down first and has decided that it's just easier to slide the door closed and walk away without locking. I regret to say that it seems like sheer laziness on her part.


    I think this is unsafe. I don't feel comfortable knowing that I'm sleeping upstairs with the door to the house unlocked...even if it's just for a couple hours. I currently sleep with my bedroom door locked as a back-up.


    This evening, I asked her, in a polite and casual manner, about why the door is always unlocked in the morning. She kind of looked at me like I was stupid and said, "Because you're still home when I leave." I gather that she thinks it's ok to not lock up because people are in the house? Even when it's early morning and we're still sleeping? By that logic, why does she lock the door at night before she goes to bed?! I mean, we're ALL home at that point, right? Why not just leave all the windows and doors open overnight while we're all home sleeping?


    I suggested to her that leaving the door unlocked was unsafe because it puts me and the other roommate at risk for getting raped and murdered. She looked annoyed and stated that she thinks it's "obnoxious" for people to keep the sliding glass door locked [during the daytime] when they're sitting right there at the kitchen table. (She was obviously referring to me and I do reach over and unlock it for her when she walks up.) I guess inconveniencing someone who is trying to come home from work with a lunchbag in her hand is more obnoxious than the prospect of being robbed, raped or murdered. I asked her to lock the door on her way out to work. I don't yet know if she'll do it.


    Right....so, in the meantime, I need to look out for myself. I don't rely on other people to do the right thing. I don't rely on the idea that the condo neighborhood "seems safe". I don't rely on the thought of "that isn't going to happen to me."


    I own guns. (Duh) My roommates don't know that I have firearms in the house. I tend not to disclose that because a) people might freak out and b) truthfully, I never 100% trust "roommates".


    Out of personal choice, I don't keep my Glock loaded and readily accessible/within reach at home. (I know...bear with me, k?) When I'm travelling alone and in my hotel room, yes, lock and load on the nightstand. If I lived alone, yes, lock and load. But, it's tougher when you're living under someone else's roof.


    My room is tiny and there is nowhere to put one of those fancy quick-access safes. The most feasible idea I have is to keep my Glock in a lower dresser drawer, within arm's reach of my bed. Though, I'd still be worried about someone finding it there. On the other hand, it's my safety at risk if I don't have my Glock accessible.


    Some extra points to consider: This roommate is only going to be here another 6 months or so. Me moving somewhere else is not a feasible option for the immediate future. The other two roommates have been friends for years; I'm the odd one out. Please remember that I'm dealing with women and women have a funny way of dealing with each other.


    Suggestions or ideas?


    BK
    Last edited by BadKitty; 03-06-2012, 11:02 PM.
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  • #2
    OniKoroshi
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2011
    • 1321

    I say tell her to put a PVC pipe resting on the door so when she leaves it will block the track so it is at least harder to open

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    • #3
      frigginchi
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2007
      • 1160

      Bring it up with the head of household. Then remind them both that scumbags don't burglarize crappy neighborhoods.

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      • #4
        njineermike
        Calguns Addict
        • Dec 2010
        • 9784

        Find new roomies.
        Originally posted by Kestryll
        Dude went full CNN...
        Peace, love, and heavy weapons. Sometimes you have to be insistent." - David Lee Roth

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        • #5
          bob7122
          Calguns Addict
          • Jul 2010
          • 5090

          i use to believe ppl could be reasoned with. now i see it differently. you won't change her mind; if she hasn't lived in a ghetto or grew up in a place where if you didn't lock your doors you were risking an *** raping, theft, etc. then she won't understand since she doesn't care to. if you keep it up they will probably ask you to move out. my advice is look for a new place or wait it out till the unsafe roomie leaves in six months.
          you can explain that a criminal scoping out the house will check when is the best time to do whatever they want to do, and if she leaves the door unlocked in the morning, well...
          Originally posted by 2761377
          man's greatest accomplishments have been achieved in the face of futility.
          it's a piss poor excuse to quit.
          PSN name= entwie_dumayla
          "I came into this world with someone else's blood on me and I don't mind leaving the same way..."
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          • #6
            Meety Peety
            Veteran Member
            • Aug 2008
            • 3216

            If she reacted they way you said, I would assume you'll be hard pressed to change her outlook on the issue, and like someone else said, you'd probably end up getting teamed up on and given the boot. Since she will be leaving in 6 months, maybe you can talk to the owner of the condo about how she feels on the issue (Privately) and if you two see eye to eye about it, it would probably be best just to wait it out. If it looks like the problem will persist even after the one roommate leaves, I'd probably start looking for a new place now. Maybe in the mean time, even though you don't like to, just keep something ready to go in a bedside drawer or other easily accessible hide-away until she moves out. Only problem with that situation is that you never really know where you will be when a home invasion occurs, you may not even be near the bedroom. But, to be fair, if someone were to plan an attack on a specific individual, an extra lock or two would probably not be their deciding factor. Maybe a random burglary, sure. All I mean by that is, don't let having the door locked give you a false sense of safety. Maybe look into keeping the hardware unpacked permanently even after the roommate leaves.

            Disclaimer: I am in no way shape or form a female.

            EDIT: LOL the fourth result on that Google search someone posted above was hilarious.. unexpected to say the least.
            Last edited by Meety Peety; 03-07-2012, 12:20 AM.
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            • #7
              Seesm
              Calguns Addict
              • Nov 2008
              • 7812

              How about lock and load while home and conceal it on your person??
              I mean let's be fair she is not going to change the way she thinks or does stuff unless something happens and at that point it is too late.

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              • #8
                Databyter
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2010
                • 1100

                Locking up the house when other people are in bed is a requirement.

                Not doing it is negligence.

                Not doing it when asked nicely is rudeness and apathy.

                I am sure there is a nice way to say all this to her or the head honcho, but it doesn't come to mind at the moment.

                But I would focus on the fact that it is completely unacceptable and not even close to being a grey area.

                It is arrogant and inconsiderate for her to not worry about house security simply because SHE is no longer there.

                It does not matter how SHE feels about it. It only matters how the people left in the house feel about it. She is the one unlocking the door and not resetting it.

                If you gals have some cash, you might want to look into a lock that works better, but based on what you've said, that is probably not the main problem.
                Last edited by Databyter; 03-07-2012, 1:00 AM.

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                • #9
                  Pfletch83
                  Member
                  • Feb 2011
                  • 201

                  Ever thought about Eastern Kentucky?

                  It's nice this time of year (freak tornado stuff aside).
                  It isn't the size of your hallway howitzer,it's how you use it.

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                  • #10
                    8bitnintendo
                    Space Cadet
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Apr 2010
                    • 1305

                    Originally posted by BadKitty
                    I gather that she thinks it's ok to not lock up because people are in the house? Even when it's early morning and we're still sleeping? By that logic, why does she lock the door at night before she goes to bed?! I mean, we're ALL home at that point, right? Why not just leave all the windows and doors open overnight while we're all home sleeping?
                    I'd suggest presenting it to her in that fashion -- she wants the door locked while she is sleeping, right? Everyone else in the house wants the same basic courtesy.

                    Another possible argument is to state that you are a heavy sleeper, and that if the door is unlocked, someone could just walk in and steal anything in the common areas without anyone being the wiser. And with no proof of break-in, filing a renter's insurance claim would be... challenging.

                    I'm rather... direct (possibly overly so) in my dealing with conflict. I would probably say to her that if anything happened (theft etc.) due to her negligence, I would hold her civilly liable. And that if she has a problem with the door being locked when I am home awake, I will be happy to leave it unlocked when I am in the room, provided she has no problem with me open carrying in the kitchen.

                    It boggles my mind that someone can be so self-absorbed and entitled that they would rather leave the door unlocked than put their stuff down. I can mail her a backpack so she can carry her crap around hands-free if it would help.
                    "Decompression planning is like measuring with a micrometer, marking with chalk, and cutting with an ax."
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                    • #11
                      movie zombie
                      Cat-in-a Box/NRA Lifetime
                      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                      • Jul 2007
                      • 14644

                      inconvenient but eliminates the problem: get up and lock it after her.
                      and don't open the door for her when you see her outside the door whether its day or night. she's put you "on your own" so let her look out for herself.

                      its for 6 months.
                      she's a friend with the owner.
                      you're not in a position to move.

                      she's inconsiderate, yes. but you can't afford to let her put you at risk and you don't want to move.

                      when its time to get a new roomate, have a list of "house rules" that you and the owner agree upon and insist that the new roomie must agree to follow them.

                      do you have pepper spray or any other protection device besides a gun? carry it around the house with you. when explained why, let them know its because the house is left open. encourage them to do the same because lots of homes broken into and rapes occur during daytime hours. the idea that because someone is home nothing will happen is false security and you're not willing to sacrifice your wellbeing to that false idea.

                      good luck.
                      "The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her own pantyhose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound."-- as seen on a t-shirt
                      Originally posted by The Shootist
                      Just use it for an excuse to keep buying "her" guns till you find the right one...good way to check off your wanted to buy list with the idea of finding her the one she wants of course :D

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                      • #12
                        POLICESTATE
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Apr 2009
                        • 18185

                        Originally posted by njineermike
                        Find new roomies.
                        YUP!
                        -POLICESTATE,
                        In the name of the State, and of the School, and of the Infallible Science


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                        • #13
                          Decoligny
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 10615

                          Get with the owner and discuss the situation. If she is agreeable, arrange for a little learning experience for the roommate.

                          Have a friend come over about 10 minutes after she leaves, and remove (with permission) some of the high value items out of the house, TV, Stereo, Computer, etc.

                          Call the friend at work at your usual wake up time, and ask her if she took the stuff, or if you should call the police to report a burglary.

                          Have the stuff brought back after she has had sufficient time to stew.
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                          don't make it up with your small mind,
                          or spread it with your big mouth.

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                          • #14
                            benjaminh98
                            CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                            • Feb 2012
                            • 164

                            Why not sit down with everyone that lives there and have a set of "house rules" agreed upon by all parties? They will know where you stand on self-preservation and there will be a "no gray areas" list of rules to go by.

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                            • #15
                              raddogz
                              Member
                              • Jan 2012
                              • 128

                              I agree with many of the points listed above.

                              I would talk to the owner about everyone locking up after themselves - it saves on the sanity of constantly worrying if the sliding glass door is locked for everyone's sake. Property damage at the very least if someone comes in uninvited - rape, assault, and/or death can result. If the sliding glass door is broken it should be fixed by the owner/landlord afterall it does pose an inherent security risk (what happens if the locking mechanism doesn't latch).

                              I do understand about wanting to keep the peace as you don't want to start causing or widening of existing rifts anymore than they are or might be.

                              This may or may not break a deal, but you may want to inform the owner of the firearms. Granted in many ways it's not any of their business, but if an intruder were to get into the house and either steal or use the gun it can come back as to why you never mentioned it.

                              I would try to stick it out if it's for six months, but I would still mention it to the owner you're not feeling comfortable and unsafe. If you're really really uncomfortable due the safety issues, and the drama maybe looking elsewhere might not be a bad idea.

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