Engineering Help needed

[howbobert]

[ngnrnlo]

[howbobert]

The way I am working it now, with the plans that I currently are working on. I did had a discussion of the on going projects with him prior to his agreeing to help out. I pass the plans along to the engineer that is going to sign them, after they have been reviewed by the agency. He reviews them and makes any changes that he would like. Once that is done, he signs them. This all went through their legal staff.

These were all projects that we had prior to my business partner passing away.

I am not opposed to having another business partner who is registered. That is why I indicated that we could discuss this if anyone was interested. Plus I am looking for someone in case I do want to work on more projects.

[VictorFranko]

A wee bit off topic but I have a friend that is a traffic engineer in Viet Nam.
He designs the traffic signals, patterns etc., makes a ton of money (for Viet Nam) as a government employee.
If you've ever driven in Viet Nam you'd understand the humor in what I just said.

[TheReluctantCraftstronaut]

Incorrect. Responsible charge does not require that they provide oversight throughout the whole project, so long as they provide sufficient oversight for the project at the time of signing. By definition responsible charge allows for an engineer to review and approve any and all decisions that fall under the responsibilities of the applicable engineering license. There is no specified level of required involvement throughout a project to meet that criteria.

It is not uncommon for plans to be drawn up by someone that knows what they are doing, who does not have a license. This is often the case, then an engineer or engineering firm reviews the plans, confirms with their own calcs where needed, and then stamps the drawings once approved. It doesn't matter whether the person making up the original design and the approving engineer work for the same company or put in equal effort.

If the engineer is negligent of his duties or he signs for a design outside of his area of practice, then there is trouble.

The biggest issue here is moonlighting, which OP addresses when he says that anyone interested is responsible for clearing it with their employer.

[howbobert]

TheReluctantCraftstronaut. Thanks for the clarification.

[howbobert]

Anyone interested?

[BAJ475]

Incorrect. Responsible charge does not require that they provide oversight throughout the whole project, so long as they provide sufficient oversight for the project at the time of signing. By definition responsible charge allows for an engineer to review and approve any and all decisions that fall under the responsibilities of the applicable engineering license. There is no specified level of required involvement throughout a project to meet that criteria.

It is not uncommon for plans to be drawn up by someone that knows what they are doing, who does not have a license. This is often the case, then an engineer or engineering firm reviews the plans, confirms with their own calcs where needed, and then stamps the drawings once approved. It doesn't matter whether the person making up the original design and the approving engineer work for the same company or put in equal effort.

If the engineer is negligent of his duties or he signs for a design outside of his area of practice, then there is trouble.

The biggest issue here is moonlighting, which OP addresses when he says that anyone interested is responsible for clearing it with their employer.

I am a CA licensed CE & SE and it is my opinion that you are correct that responsible charge does not require that they provide oversight throughout the whole project. But that is where we part company. If the OP is interested he should read the definition of responsible charge at http://www.bpelsg.ca.gov/laws/boardrules.pdf

As I read it, the main problem with the OP's proposal is that a non licensed person cannot offer to do work that would require a license unless that work is incidental to the conduct of their business or the business met some other exemption. Thus, manufactures can agree to provide required engineering for the products they sell without violating the engineers act. But, my reading to the OP's post is that were offering design services not a product, so it is not clear that the business would come within the exemption of Subdivision (e) of Business and Professions Code Section 6738: "This chapter does not prevent an individual or business engaged in any line of endeavor other than the practice of civil, electrical, or mechanical engineering from employing or contracting with a licensed civil, electrical, or mechanical engineer to perform the respective engineering services incidental to the conduct of business."

On the other hand, the situation might be covered by Subdivision (d) of Business and Professions Code Section 6738 which states, in part, "A person not licensed under this chapter may also be a partner or an officer of a civil, electrical, or mechanical engineering business if the requirements of subdivision (a) are met."

[freonr22]

that would be a rmo, correct? on the lic?