PPT Checklist For 2015

[JeffM]

Something I wrote up a while ago. I've updated it for 2015, but I wanted to run it by the other dealers here to see if I'm missing anything. Obviously some of this stuff is store policy rather than legal requirements. Most of that stuff is based on lessons-learned through past experiences with PPTs that went sideways in some way or another.

Anyway, let me know what you think.

[ASD1]

Firearm must be in and remain in a "HARD CASE"

[ke6guj]

so, the customer must provide the dummy round/snap cap if it is an uncommon round?

[Tovarish]

I guess it's not intended to cover every possible situation. For example I often get out of the lock requirement by having a receipt for a lock dated within the past 30 days.

[JeffM]

Firearm must be in and remain in a "HARD CASE"

I used to have that on there but with current safe capacity limits it's been dropped.

so, the customer must provide the dummy round/snap cap if it is an uncommon round?

Yes. With odd-ball handguns (pre 01/01/2015) if we didn't have the snap-cap, dummy round, or fired casing on hand, we would require one to be provided for the safe handling demo to be done. If they didn't have one, we wouldn't start the PPT until they came back with one. The same thing will likely happen when the DOJ publishes the official regulations relating to the safe handling demo for long guns if it requires a snap-cap/dummy round/empty casing like the handgun demo does.

I guess it's not intended to cover every possible situation. For example I often get out of the lock requirement by having a receipt for a lock dated within the past 30 days.

Yes. I didn't want it to be more than one page so space got to be a premium. There's always more that could go on there though. I'll game this one out and see if I can squeeze it in there.

[Librarian]

Firearm must be in and remain in a "HARD CASE"

Your shop, your rules, but why do you like this one?

PC transportation law says 'locked' and nothing at all about 'hard case'.

[ASD1]

Your shop, your rules, but why do you like this one?

PC transportation law says 'locked' and nothing at all about 'hard case'.

Nothing to do with PC

To many times

Seller brings firearm in cased and leaves with case.

Buyer did not bring a case.

We store all firearms "IN DROS" in our vault cased or the Factory box.

Hard cases stack much nicer on the shelf.

[kemasa]

Something I wrote up a while ago. I've updated it for 2015, but I wanted to run it by the other dealers here to see if I'm missing anything. Obviously some of this stuff is store policy rather than legal requirements. Most of that stuff is based on lessons-learned through past experiences with PPTs that went sideways in some way or another.

Anyway, let me know what you think.

You can use the affidavit for handguns, as long as a lock is also provided for the Feds, no receipt is needed.

If the person has a military ID, they also need duty orders.

If the CA ID/DL does not have their current address, it needs only be a government document, not a permit/license. For example, a recent bill from the DWP is acceptable since that is a government organization.

For handguns, CA requires proof of residency and it does not accept a CA ID/DL, so a recent utility bill or other documents are needed, but this is NOT second proof. If the CA ID/DL does not have the current address, only ONE document is needed, but due to Federal requirements, it has to be a government document.

[JeffM]

You can use the affidavit for handguns, as long as a lock is also provided for the Feds, no receipt is needed.

If the person has a military ID, they also need duty orders.

If the CA ID/DL does not have their current address, it needs only be a government document, not a permit/license. For example, a recent bill from the DWP is acceptable since that is a government organization.

For handguns, CA requires proof of residency and it does not accept a CA ID/DL, so a recent utility bill or other documents are needed, but this is NOT second proof. If the CA ID/DL does not have the current address, only ONE document is needed, but due to Federal requirements, it has to be a government document.

We do the affidavit if the lock isn't a CA Approved Safety Device. I'll have to update the form to reflect that. I had the Duty Orders issue on there but cut it off for space while formating. I'll add it to the list of stuff to try to squeeze on here. We do take municipal utilities or other .gov documents for Fed POR, I'll see if I can reword that succinctly.

I know people calling it "Second Proof of Residency" is a pet peeve of yours. That's what everyone calls it around here. Some places have taken to calling it "Second ID" for whatever reason and that bugs the hell out of me. I'll remove the "second" reference just for you

The biggest problem is space. Making a readable checklist fit on one page with EVERYTHING seems virtually impossible. There are too many nuances to list it all while making it simple enough for the type of people that don't have their stuff together to understand. Maybe I'll have to get rid of the Soup Nazi and have the list spill over to the back of the page. But so far the issues noted are pretty minor.

Like I said, most of this come from lessons learned, e.g. buyers stating that they have CA POR that they can bring when they come back to pick up a PPT handgun, when they don't have anything acceptable and the DROS expires before they can work it out. Or a random/odd-ball handgun that we don't have a snap-cap for so we have to source one or find some empty brass. It makes a mess of things.

The purpose of the list is to make PPTs better for the customers who might have issues, and reduce the time the staff are having to unnecessarily invest in PPTs that are non-starters.

I know that there are guys here that have been in the business a long time and have probably run into their own issues regarding PPTs or stalled transfers.

Thanks for the input everyone!