Interstate, Intrafamily transfer, not on roster

[buckstrucks]

Good Morning!

California Expat here now living in the ugly state of TX.

I need your guys help.

Before Christmas I was talking to my mom on the phone and she asked about getting her CCW. A few days prior I bought a brand new gen3 G19 to hang out with my SIG's. So I decided to bring it home to Cali on my Christmas Vacation.

Took it to a local FFL my last day in town so I would have more time to help her study for the safety and safe handling tests. Of course we went shooting also. She passed her test, filled out the ATF form as they were taking my info for the dros transfer. Well that didn't go well because they couldn't enter my TX info in to the DROS program. Guy at the shop called the DOJ and his boss and told me it couldn't be done. DOH! OK so In drove across town and called another FFL. Both told me to just mail in the transfer form to the DOJ. Of course I know this is illegal federally thank them and leave.

Knowing my friendly local FFL in TX has transfered lowers for my Dad to California before, I leave the slide, and new 10 round magazines with my mom and throw that little guy in my rifle case and go back to TX.

Friendly local FFL does all the leg work for me, mails it off to Cali FFL that has good prices on transfers that I had used in the past.

A few days later I get a call from my TX FFL saying California FFL called and the Glock is made in the USA and not on the roster, and they want to send it back. I called the Cali FFL he explained to me that he can't do it. I asked about an exemption I had read about in some speedy pre call research. He said it does not exist. He wants his $50 and shipping costs. Which I am not happy about but of course I understand its a business and it exists to make money and he has time invested.

So now I feel dumb missing the big Bold Red letters on the DOJ roster webpage, but I didn't think to look because I assumed that Gen3 was good to go, and it never really registered it was different to me. Just another black Glock.

Further research shows that there is(was) an exemption and FFLs can enter 27870PC interfamily transfer in the DROS work sheet. But a quick Google of this penal code says it stops being active 01Jan14 unless updated. It also shows up on Cal gunfoundations website which has been updated since then. Is this exemption still possible?

Worst case scenario I have a coworker willing to trade frames with me and let me swap all the new parts in to his frame at no cost. I am going to get in contact with the Cali FFL tomorrow and see if he will work with me, at half the cost of the first transfer that didnt happen and the cost of the second plus return shipping. That is if the exemption no longer exists.

If it does exist and he is not willing to deal with what would be a good dealer in the Soloano, Calaveras or counties inbetween general area I could pay the first FFL out and have him ship it to?

This is the most stressful Christmas gift ever!

Sorry if I missed any typos. Have to go fast on my lunch break.

Thank you guys/gals

Buck

[Librarian]

Intrafamilial transfer is exempt from the Roster.

PC 27870 no longer exists - see 27875 The 2014 change was to make the OPLAW form required for long guns as well as hand guns.

In short, you are right, and you do need a new CA FFL to handle this.

[kemasa]

I was told in the past that intrafamial transfers from a parent/child/grandparent/grandchild was exempt and based on your post, I called the CA DOJ to check on that and was told that it is still exempt. 27870 ended, but 27875 replaces it.

I would suggest that you have the FFL call the CA DOJ and ask. It is processed as an exempt transfer and the FFL should retain the letter stating that it is a gift and the relationship. If there is any problem, I can PM the name of the person who just told me that (don't like to post it in public).

[buckstrucks]

Thank you guys. I email the FFL holding the Glock asking them to contact the DOJ, or if they refused to do so to contact me about returning the gun to TX or to another FFL in California. Have been sending emails to FFLs that were doing single shot exemptions in the past. I figure they would be more savy.

Any good FFLs in the Lodi to Valleo area? My mom travels there weekly.

[ugimports]

I'm a little out of that way in Fremont if she wants to come see us. If so, have her hit up this page: http://ugimports.com/howto-transfer

Thanks

[auburngunsammo]

I am in auburn and can do it as well. Still a little out of the way though we are about 25 miles east of Sacramento on hwy 80


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[buckstrucks]

Update. Dealer was out of town for a few days. Wants full transfer fee and shipping, refuses to take card over the phone and so I get to mail a postal MO. Frustrating but understandable. Will only ship the gun back to the original shipper. So I am out at least another week minimum. I will be in contact with one of you guys or one other FFL that I emailed shortly.

[DucatiSS]

In regards to him not taking the card over the phone. My current credit card merchant uses a clearing house that will not allow me to do "non-swiped" transactions even on accessories. They have told me that they have a new one that is gun friendly and will allow phone transactions.

[ugimports]

In regards to him not taking the card over the phone. My current credit card merchant uses a clearing house that will not allow me to do "non-swiped" transactions even on accessories. They have told me that they have a new one that is gun friendly and will allow phone transactions.

Do you get screwed if the mag stripe is busted on someone's card? Lame.. I just switched to ware-everpay (http://www.ware-everpay.com/)...pretty good rates...used to be on First National Merchant Services...