PPT fee for two handguns at once (same seller)?

[Tovarish]

Hi all,

I have, on three occasions in the past few month, purchased via PPT two handguns at once from the same seller. All of these were done at different shops.

The first two times, I was charged $45 ($25 DROS x1 + $10 PPT x2). However, last week when I did this, the employee charged me $70 ($25 DROS x2 + $10 PPT x2). I asked him why and he said the DROS system said the amount to be collected was $50 at the end of the transaction.

I reviewed a thread from a while ago, just after a new law about this took effect, and there seemed to be some disagreement: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=883118

The new section of the penal code (28240b) states: "Beginning January 1, 2014, only one fee shall be charged pursuant to this article for a single transaction on the same date for taking title or possession of any number of firearms."

Who was right here? Should I go back to the store and ask for my $25 back? It seems that this shop believes that for handguns, only one may be transferred in a single transaction. But I've seen it suggested that this is a misunderstanding and they are not correctly linking the multiple handguns together.

It may seem petty to be concerned about the $25, but these were junk guns I was buying as a novelty, so the extra DROS is actually a decent chunk of the transaction. The single DROS fee was actually what made it a deal for me.

Thanks.

[jeffyhog]

I sold a couple handguns to a single purchaser a little over a month ago. I called a couple different ffls and got different answers as to the cost. We ended up doing the transfer at a Turners. It cost $35 for the first and $15 for the second. I don't know how they reached that number, but that's what it was.

[Tovarish]

That is very odd. Seems to be confusion about this.

Apparently you have to keep the DROS window open rather than saving and closing and then it only charges one $25 fee. FFL is free to collect a second $10 PPT fee. Is that correct?

[Gavelek]

Sometime ago I did 2 rifles at Ammo Bros, for one fee, 35

[California44]

Sometime ago I did 2 rifles at Ammo Bros, for one fee, 35

I think you can list up to 3 rifles per dros.

[9_40_45]

I was charged $66.00 for two handguns at once via PPT. I was expecting it to be $45.00. It turns out that the shop was within the law.

From the DOJ website:

http://oag.ca.gov/firearms/dlrfaqs#20G

[ke6guj]

it would be nice if CADOJ would update the FAQ.

What fees can I charge for handling a Private Party Transfer (PPT)?
If the transaction is a PPT, in addition to the state fees, you may charge up to $10.00 or less per firearm for conducting the PPT. For example:

For a PPT involving one or more handguns, the total allowable fees are $35.00 for the first handgun, and $31.00 for each subsequent handgun.
For PPTs involving one or more long guns, the state fees are limited to $25.00 for the whole transaction plus up to $10.00 dealer fee per firearm transferred.

the bolded section is incorrect. now, all transactions, handgun and long guns should be charged as underlined.

[ke6guj]

That is very odd. Seems to be confusion about this.

Apparently you have to keep the DROS window open rather than saving and closing and then it only charges one $25 fee. FFL is free to collect a second $10 PPT fee. Is that correct?

correct. the FFL processes the first PPT and when he gets to the end of the DROS there is an option for him to do another firearm for the buyer. if that is selected, all the buyer info is already pre-populated and they can do a second PPT. if this is done correctly, CADOJ only charges a single $25 fee. the dealer is allowed to charge up to a $10 dealer fee for each PPT being transfered.

I think you can list up to 3 rifles per dros.

if there is a limit, it is much higher than 3. I seem to recall my FFL mentioning that 14 was the max he had done at one time, but not that that was the limit.

[Tovarish]

correct. the FFL processes the first PPT and when he gets to the end of the DROS there is an option for him to do another firearm for the buyer. if that is selected, all the buyer info is already pre-populated and they can do a second PPT. if this is done correctly, CADOJ only charges a single $25 fee. the dealer is allowed to charge up to a $10 dealer fee for each PPT being transfered.

That seems...pretty simple and intuitive. I'm not sure why an FFL couldn't manage to figure that out.

[Burbur]

That seems...pretty simple and intuitive. I'm not sure why an FFL couldn't manage to figure that out.

Not exactly intuitive, but easy to do correctly if you know how. DOJ didn't make it easy...

[ugimports]

That seems...pretty simple and intuitive. I'm not sure why an FFL couldn't manage to figure that out.

Plenty of folks that don't read these message boards to realize that option exists. Additionally, there isn't a screen at the end which says how much to collect. They wouldn't know that until they got their invoice at the end of the month. More likely they were referring to their POS system which was designed to collect fees as they had mentioned.

[jdben92883]

The FAQ on the website is out-dated. PPT is $10/firearm, regardless of type. 2 pistols is $45. It's not murky or grey, it is what it is.

[kemasa]

I think you can list up to 3 rifles per dros.

As of 2014, each and every firearm has to be done with a separate DROS, but there is only one $25 DROS fee for any number of firearms of any type of transaction done at the same time (assuming no problems with the DES system and not timing out).

This means that a PPT is $25 plus $10 per firearm. It is possible for the FFL to charge storage after 10 days, but at 10 days, no additional fees.

As said, there is nothing which says what the total is, that only occurs when the invoice arrives.