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  • Elite Armory
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    • Aug 2012
    • 421

    Receiving Complete AR Pistol Lower

    Is there any problems with receiving a complete pistol lower from Spike's and then adding the upper, bullet button and mag block before DROS to the buyer?

    Thanks
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  • #2
    ugimports
    Vendor/Retailer
    • Jun 2009
    • 6250

    Not if you're manufacturing and log it as such. You're turning a receiver into a SSE Pistol. I don't recall marking requirements since I don't do it.

    Then there's the FET you have to collect. I don't remember all the rules, but it's the same as when you mfg your own firearms.
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    • #3
      kemasa
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      • Jun 2005
      • 10706

      if you do it once, no, but if you do it more than that, yes. There could be issues with CA law in terms of manufacturing a firearm, but I am not sure about that.
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      • #4
        ugimports
        Vendor/Retailer
        • Jun 2009
        • 6250

        I figure since they're an 07 they might be wanting to do it more than once
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        • #5
          acespawnshop
          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
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          • Jun 2012
          • 2852

          To add a question here: Can an individual take their receiver that was DROS'd as a receiver and make it into the pistol and then fill out the voluntary registration form and send that into the state?
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          • #6
            Quiet
            retired Goon
            • Mar 2007
            • 30242

            Originally posted by acespawnshop
            To add a question here: Can an individual take their receiver that was DROS'd as a receiver and make it into the pistol and then fill out the voluntary registration form and send that into the state?
            How does it get DROS'd as a "receiver"?
            Did something change?


            ATF 4473 = handgun, long gun, other
            CA DROS = handgun, long gun
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            • #7
              ugimports
              Vendor/Retailer
              • Jun 2009
              • 6250

              Originally posted by Quiet
              How does it get DROS'd as a "receiver"?
              Did something change?


              ATF 4473 = handgun, long gun, other
              CA DROS = handgun, long gun
              CA DROS in 2014 has an option for Long Gun->Receiver = Yes
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              • #8
                Quiet
                retired Goon
                • Mar 2007
                • 30242

                Originally posted by ugimports
                CA DROS in 2014 has an option for Long Gun->Receiver = Yes
                I see.
                So, taking that info and long gun registration into account...
                Originally posted by acespawnshop
                To add a question here: Can an individual take their receiver that was DROS'd as a receiver and make it into the pistol and then fill out the voluntary registration form and send that into the state?
                ... wouldn't taking a receiver that has been DROS'd (registered) as a long gun - receiver, making it into a pistol, and then voluntarily registering = making a firearm that is a SBR under CA laws and documenting it for CA DOJ?
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                • #9
                  acespawnshop
                  CGN/CGSSA Contributor
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                  • Jun 2012
                  • 2852

                  That's what I'm trying to clarify here. We get asked this question all the time.
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                  • #10
                    ugimports
                    Vendor/Retailer
                    • Jun 2009
                    • 6250

                    I have generally provided similar info as quiet, however, I never considered the vol-reg aspect of it.

                    I'm guessing that if DOJ is rejecting the volreg of an SSE pistol (Single Shot -> Semi) they would likely question the rifle->pistol volreg or just reject it altogether which leaves you with an SBR while you wait for the volreg results...

                    I'm up to hearing how it'll go, but I wouldn't want to be the test case!
                    Last edited by ugimports; 11-06-2014, 8:35 AM. Reason: homonyms
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                    • #11
                      Quiet
                      retired Goon
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 30242

                      Originally posted by ugimports
                      I'm guessing that if DOJ is rejecting the volreg of an SSE pistol (Single Shot -> Semi)...
                      Side note.

                      A friend recently (this year) sent in a volreg on an AR pistol that he made from an 80%.
                      CA DOJ contacted him and demanded pictures of it as a dimensionally compliant single-shot pistol.
                      He sent them pictures, but he did say if he could not provide them that they told him CA DOJ agents would be showing up to his residence to inspect the AR pistol.
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                      • #12
                        audiophil2
                        Senior Member
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                        • Jan 2007
                        • 8736

                        Originally posted by Elite Armory
                        Is there any problems with receiving a complete pistol lower from Spike's and then adding the upper, bullet button and mag block before DROS to the buyer?

                        Thanks
                        Not as all as long as you are doing the engraving work to make it an Elite Armory pistol, submitting the paperwork to ATF , and paying the excise tax for manufacturing a new gun. You already have your 07 and are paying ITAR fees so use that privilege 01FFLs do not have.
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