ar pistol ppt

[thenotoriousmo]

I'm sorry if this is a stupid question, but here it is.

I wish I would of gotten a few ar pistol frames while i was in and stationed out of state but now i have an active duty friend who is pcs-ing back to Pendleton. Before he moves I want him to get me 2 lowers that I can use for pistol builds. seeing as every other state does the paperwork on them as pistols, can I just give him all the parts for a pistol build (upper, bullet button, and 10 round mag) and have him dros it to me as a pistol. Then 30 days later strip the first frame to save for a future pistol build and use the parts to dros the second frame?

I've ppt a few off list handguns from a few military friends but I don't know if shops are weird about ar pistols.


Thanks

[acespawnshop]

I think you aren't wording the question correctly. Essentially what you are asking is can a marine stationed in CA with orders PPT a non-roster handgun to you. If that is your question the answer is yes. What you do with your parts is on you. Now, if you are asking can your friend bring his receiver into CA and build it into a pistol here in CA then transfer it to you I would say No.

[acespawnshop]

Another question is how were the firearms defined when they were imported into the state of CA per PC:27650 That form does not have the option of "receiver" Its either pistol rifle or shotgun and does you have to say what type. Since the receiver is neither on their options I would say this is a tough question to answer.

[kemasa]

I'm sorry if this is a stupid question, but here it is.

I wish I would of gotten a few ar pistol frames while i was in and stationed out of state but now i have an active duty friend who is pcs-ing back to Pendleton. Before he moves I want him to get me 2 lowers that I can use for pistol builds. seeing as every other state does the paperwork on them as pistols, can I just give him all the parts for a pistol build (upper, bullet button, and 10 round mag) and have him dros it to me as a pistol. Then 30 days later strip the first frame to save for a future pistol build and use the parts to dros the second frame?

There are some problems with what you want to do. The first problem is that if your friend were to purchase the firearms for you, that would would a straw purchase since he would not be the actual buyer/transferee as it is intended for you and since you are paying, it is not a gift. That is a bit of a show stopper if you don't want to risk the graybar hotel.

He could buy a lower and build it into a pistol, but if he does that in order to sell it, it could be considered to be manufacturing and since he does not have a license, that could be a Federal issue again.

If he were to put the firearm together in CA, there are CA laws which could be an issue unless it is done "correctly" since he could be building an "unsafe" firearm which is not exempt. I have heard that to do this in CA you need to make it as a single shot first, so that it is exempt, then later you can change it, but that is something that you should really research to ensure that CA laws are followed.

So, with all of that said and all of the possible legal issues above mentioned, if someone were to build a pistol from a lower out of state and make it in a CA legal configuration (not a so-called a-salt weapon) and then bring it into CA, they could transfer it as a PPT and the new owner could take the parts off. It might also be possible that a person moving into CA could fill out the voluntary registration and list it as a handgun, then once that is done the frame could be transferred as a PPT, but you would need to make sure that it was transferred as a handgun frame.

The bottom line is that there are many problems with what you want to do as the laws get in the way, so it is unlikely that what you want to do would be legal. You might be able to get away with it, but that could be a risk.

I've ppt a few off list handguns from a few military friends but I don't know if shops are weird about ar pistols.

It is quite possible that there are gun shops which would have an issue with AR pistols.

[thenotoriousmo]

sorry if this response is choppy as it's a pita to do quotes on my tablet but here it is.

I always thought a straw purchase was for when you are trying to avoid going through the paperwork of acquiring a firearm. obviously i will still go through a ffl to do the transfer, so would this still be a straw purchase??? Guess I need to read up on that one.

As for the manufacture part, technically can't anyone who puts their home built ar's for sale get classified as this? curious if there is a set definition as to what a manufacturer is.

I know when he does the paperwork to buy the lower receiver they are always filed as a pistol. I believe he has 30 days or so from entering the state to send his list of every pistol he has to the ca doj so they would be on file with California as pistols...

but yes i should of just worded my question the way you did Ace and left out all the extra details. I still am not quite sure why he couldn't build a stripped pistol frame here if he ever decided to as ask of his ar frames ar "pistols" and will be recorded as such with california.

i do know the obvious solution to this problem would be to just mill out a lower, but at the prices lowers are at again, it's not worth my time to mill out one if I can transfer it legally. I just wish these laws weren't so confusing and had so much gray area... Thanks for the input so far. It looks like I have some research to do now

[kemasa]

sorry if this response is choppy as it's a pita to do quotes on my tablet but here it is.

I always thought a straw purchase was for when you are trying to avoid going through the paperwork of acquiring a firearm. obviously i will still go through a ffl to do the transfer, so would this still be a straw purchase??? Guess I need to read up on that one.

Look at the recent US Supreme Court decision. ALL transaction were through a FFL and it was still found to be illegal because the original purchase the person falsely claimed that they were the actual buyer/transferee when it was actually intended for another person.

As for the manufacture part, technically can't anyone who puts their home built ar's for sale get classified as this? curious if there is a set definition as to what a manufacturer is.

The problem is how often you do it (more than once) and why you are doing it. If your intent is to sell it, then it is very different than if you do it and then later decide that you don't want it anymore. If they happen to see the transfer, then a short time later another transfer, it could get noticed.

I know when he does the paperwork to buy the lower receiver they are always filed as a pistol. I believe he has 30 days or so from entering the state to send his list of every pistol he has to the ca doj so they would be on file with California as pistols...

On the 4473, the lower is considered "other". It would not be considered a pistol. I believe it is 60 days from when you enter the state.

[thenotoriousmo]

Very interesting. Thanks for all the answer as I just showed my ignorance on the legality of transferring and apparently manufacturing of firearms.