PPT

[gunner336]

I am a LEO and another retired LEO want's to sell me 5 to 10 handguns. All are LEO type weapons.
Are any of you FFL's in th IE, Ontario, Upland area LEO friendly that I can meet with in the store prior so when the appointment day comes all goes smooth with the seller [old partner long retired].
Please PM me. Thank you in advance

[CSACANNONEER]

WTF is an "LEO type weapon"?

[gunner336]

ppt

Glocks, Beretta 92's, chiefs, k frames, mdl 66's

[CSACANNONEER]

So, everyday handguns that more non LEOs own and use than LEOs. Any FFL should be able to handle a normal PPT like that.

[acespawnshop]

I am in West Covina and I can help you sounds like a regular everyday PPT to me. Call store if you feel the need or just come by any day 9am-6pm 626-968-5900

No need to come in before. I don't quite know what you mean by LEO friendly? I do lots of transfers for our local PD and Sheriff's Dept. My guess by LEO friendly you are meaning a discount? Its a PPT and FFL's can only charge a fixed amount. $25 dros and $10 fee. If you have extra firearms the fee is $10 per firearm. Since you say you are having 5-10 firearms transferred you can calculate your price based on how many guns you are buying from your friend.

[gunner336]

Ppt

Not looking for discount, but I hear about when you get into some stores they want you to buy gun locks for each weapon from them.

[kemasa]

Bring in a lock with a receipt within 30 days, then there is no reason for them to require you to buy a lock from them.

[mej16489]

Not looking for discount, but I hear about when you get into some stores they want you to buy gun locks for each weapon from them.

That's the law, not an FFL problem. You must buy each lock within 30 days of the sale and the FFL will keep a copy of the receipt.

[dachan]

I don't quite know what you mean by LEO friendly?

Not looking for discount, but I hear about when you get into some stores they want you to buy gun locks for each weapon from them.

Bring in a lock with a receipt within 30 days, then there is no reason for them to require you to buy a lock from them.

That's the law, not an FFL problem. You must buy each lock within 30 days of the sale and the FFL will keep a copy of the receipt.

OP's reference to "LEO friendly" might mean familiarity with PC 12088.8 (b) (sorry, I don't have the renumbered PC with me) exempting salaried, full-time peace officers as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2 for purposes of law enforcement from the Aroner-Scott-Hayden Firearms Safety Act of 1999; i.e, LEO don't need locks when purchasing a firearm. Sure the law says it must be for duty purposes but they'll probably argue every firearm they own is for duty purposes because they are always acting as a peace officer even when off-duty

[kemasa]

That's the law, not an FFL problem. You must buy each lock within 30 days of the sale and the FFL will keep a copy of the receipt.

Actually, it is not the law.

For CA handguns, you have to fill out the safe affidavit, have a certified lock which comes with the firearm, have bought a lock within 30 days and have the receipt or buy a lock from the FFL.

Under Federal law for handguns you have to have a lock with the firearm, no receipt required.

This means you can fill out a safe affidavit for CA and have a lock for the Feds, no receipt.

[gunner336]

PPT

This was exactly my question. As these are police duty type firearms that I am authorized to carry on or off duty. Are the original, Glock locks GTG or since they are over 5 years old I have to buy new ones. The Mdl 92 's, Smith 66,s Mdl 60 and 36 did not come gun locks.

I was wondering as noted above did I have to buy more locks or claim LEO exemption for on duty or off.

Yes or no. Again thanks for the responses

[dachan]

Most law enforcement officers are exempt from 18 U.S.C Chapter 44, Section 922(z) and CA PC 12087 (the laws covering requirements for a firearm safety device). Most CA dealers know about the CA exemption (for example, if they perform a LEO exempt transfer in DES, noting the make & model of a lock is no longer required), some also know about the Federal exemption. If you find one that doesn't know about the Federal exemption, they should at least know that, unlike CA, there are no Federal standards for locks, nor is there a receipt requirement. So if you cannot convince them of your Federal exemption, you should be able to at least bring in any lock w/o receipt and convince them that you are in compliance with Federal law.

[dachan]

Here is the law:

18 U.S.C Chapter 44, Section 922(z) Secure Gun Storage or Safety Device.
(1) In general.— Except as provided under paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful for any licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer to sell, deliver, or transfer any handgun to any person other than any person licensed under this chapter, unless the transferee is provided with a secure gun storage or safety device (as defined in section 921 (a)(34)) for that handgun.
(2) Exceptions.— Paragraph (1) shall not apply to—
(A) (i) the manufacture for, transfer to, or possession by, the United States, a department or agency of the United States, a State, or a department, agency, or political subdivision of a State, of a handgun; or
(ii) the transfer to, or possession by, a law enforcement officer employed by an entity referred to in clause (i) of a handgun for law enforcement purposes (whether on or off duty); or
(B) ...

CA PC 12088.1. (a) All firearms sold or transferred in
this state by a licensed firearms dealer, including
private transfers through a dealer, and all firearms
manufactured in this state, shall include or be
accompanied by a firearms safety device that is listed
on the Department of Justice's roster of approved
firearms safety devices and that is identified as
appropriate for that firearm by reference to either the
manufacturer and model of the firearm, or to the
physical characteristics of the firearm that match those
listed on the roster for use with the device.

...

CA PC 12088.8. (b) This article shall not apply to the commerce
of any firearm intended to be used by a salaried,
full-time peace officer as defined in Chapter 4.5
(commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2 for
purposes of law enforcement. Nothing in this article
shall preclude local governments, local agencies, or
state law enforcement agencies from requiring their
peace officers to store their firearms in gun safes or
attach firearms safety devices to those firearms.

[ugimports]

Here is the law:

Thanks! That's one less thing I have to worry about with my LEO customers that are purchasing "duty" guns.

Although, the FFLs need to be aware it isn't a blanket exemption. For example, while an S&W Shield is probably acceptable for a duty gun I doubt that would be as acceptable of a reason for a Ruger Single Action pistol..

I wouldn't buy that an LEO was purchasing their Single Action pistol for anything other than personal use.. I could be wrong..., but that would be a stretch.

[gunner336]

PPT

Exactly what I meant in my original post when I said LEO type weapons.

Agree it would be a really hard sell to say your carrying Desert eagle, or a Ruger 8" Blackhawk in .44 mag for a duty type weapon.