PPT extra charge

[Aircraftman]

I did a PPT today in a town a couple of hours from me. They have a policy of charging an additional $35 for "storage" if you do not pick up your gun on exactly the 10 day. If you come in to pick up on day 11 - it costs you $35 (on top of the already paid $35 PPT fee)

Is this legal? I have never heard of this in any of the many shops I've visited over the last few years.

One thing is for sure I will not be buying my normal "couple boxes of ammo" from them when I pick up the gun.

I understand doing PPT's are not much more than a pain in the a## for most shops, but $35 for one day's storage???? Not the kind of shop I will ever do business with again.

Thanks for your feedback

[whobob]

there's a ca penal code somewhere

[Librarian]

there's a ca penal code somewhere

Sticky in this forum - http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=725126

[smak28]

Shady

[six seven tango]

Shady

Yes, but legal. From Librarian's sticky above... https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...buls/0101.pdf?

the dealer may charge a storage fee. However, such fees must be
clearly posted and may not be misrepresented as any governmental fee.

Bold added.

[Aircraftman]

Wow, okay it's legal.

I will make sure I get there on the 10th day. I will not give this shop another nickel of my $$$, nor will I ever do business with them again.

Beware if you are doing PPT in Stockton, around the West Lane area...

[Gryff]

Name?

[Aircraftman]

Name?

Outdoor Sportsman, West Lane, Stockton, CA

[tenpercentfirearms]

Yes, but legal. From Librarian's sticky above... https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...buls/0101.pdf?


Bold added.

I believe that bulletin is in violation of the Penal Code that is quite clear that

28055.

(a) For a sale, loan, or transfer conducted pursuant to this chapter, the purchaser or transferee or person being loaned the firearm may be required by the dealer to pay a fee not to exceed ten dollars ($10) per firearm.
(b) No other fee may be charged by the dealer for a sale, loan, or transfer of a firearm conducted pursuant to this chapter, except for the applicable fees that may be charged pursuant to Sections 23690 and 28300 and Article 3 (commencing with Section 28200) of Chapter 6 and forwarded to the Department of Justice, and the fees set forth in Section 31650.
(c) The dealer may not charge any additional fees.
(d) Nothing in these provisions shall prevent a dealer from charging a smaller fee.

There is absolutely no way a $35 storage fee is not a "any additional fees" and no way does it NOT exceed the $10 per firearm.

[cosmos7]

There is absolutely no way a $35 storage fee is not a "any additional fees" and no way does it NOT exceed the $10 per firearm.

If you re-read the OP it looks like the FFL is not charging storage during the 10-day waiting period. He is however charging storage if he has to hold it beyond the 10th day, which while crappy I believe is perfectly legal.

[smak28]

Definitely stay away from dealers that charge additional fees on top of the $35 PPT fee. Although they have a right to charge due to storage capacity, none of my local dealers do that so by comparison, they are ix-nayed from my books.

[tenpercentfirearms]

If you re-read the OP it looks like the FFL is not charging storage during the 10-day waiting period. He is however charging storage if he has to hold it beyond the 10th day, which while crappy I believe is perfectly legal.

I read it. Please quote the penal code that says you can charge the fee as a storage. It is not there. Here is the code again.

28055.

(a) For a sale, loan, or transfer conducted pursuant to this chapter, the purchaser or transferee or person being loaned the firearm may be required by the dealer to pay a fee not to exceed ten dollars ($10) per firearm.
(b) No other fee may be charged by the dealer for a sale, loan, or transfer of a firearm conducted pursuant to this chapter, except for the applicable fees that may be charged pursuant to Sections 23690 and 28300 and Article 3 (commencing with Section 28200) of Chapter 6 and forwarded to the Department of Justice, and the fees set forth in Section 31650.
(c) The dealer may not charge any additional fees.
(d) Nothing in these provisions shall prevent a dealer from charging a smaller fee.

[ugimports]

I believe that bulletin is in violation of the Penal Code that is quite clear that

There is absolutely no way a $35 storage fee is not a "any additional fees" and no way does it NOT exceed the $10 per firearm.

does this mean if a lock did not come with the firearm that the ffl is now required to provide that for free?

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[six seven tango]

I believe that bulletin is in violation of the Penal Code that is quite clear that

There is absolutely no way a $35 storage fee is not a "any additional fees" and no way does it NOT exceed the $10 per firearm.

Like you said, what I posted was just an information bulletin, so you are probably 100% correct. Unfortunately, until someone with deep pockets contests it, it will continue to be used as justification by unscrupulous, greedy dealers.
I guess the next question is, would the DOJ fall back on that opinion and tell the customer to pound sand, or call the dealer out and tell them they're wrong?

does this mean if a lock did not come with the firearm that the ffl is now required to provide that for free?

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The lock would not be considered a "fee". It is a required purchase if not included with the firearm. But, if you want to include free locks with firearm purchase you will hear no complaints from me.

[Chiefnra]

So where does the so called "import fee" come in here? Sounds like an additional fee to me. $50 to open a box.