Question: Does CA residency trump Military orders?

[Germz]

I am a native Californian who also just so happens to be active duty military and am stationed on Camp Pendleton, CA. I know that for the purposes of purchasing firearms, my PCS orders dictate residency.

I know that active duty military can supply military ID and Original orders as sufficient paperwork for purchasing firearm(s) (reference here: Buying guns while in the military, bringing guns to CA, CCW - Post #1)

I was recently told by a local FFL that my CA residency trumps my military orders and that they would not accept my military ID and original orders as proof of residency, since I already have a CA D/L and am a permanent resident.

I understand all FFLs have differing policies but I would like to know if (in my specific case) this is acceptable.

extra notes: I do not have any utility bills as I live on base housing, My car registration has my home of record address (in a different county than San Diego) and my driver's license address shows the same. Being in the military I am subject to move addresses / change basis so it is not practical to update my records at the DMV (and technically my home of record is still valid)

[Librarian]

That's pretty screwy.

DOJ says

What identification is required for a person to purchase a firearm?

Clear evidence of identity and age is defined as a valid California driver's license or a valid California identification card issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles. Military identification is also acceptable if accompanied by permanent duty station orders indicating a posting in California, but the dealer must retain copies of both documents.

[Germz]

Thank you librarian. hopefully i can take the documents I printed out from the AG's website to convince the FFL, as I had been turned down by them before as a "cable bill" was not accepted by them...and its clearly outlined on the AG's website.

[Condorguns]

I do this all the time. 29 palms feeds me a lot of Marines. The info you got was fud. Active I'd with orders trumps Ca Id.

[Germz]

I do this all the time. 29 palms feeds me a lot of Marines. The info you got was fud. Active I'd with orders trumps Ca Id.

is this the dealer's decision or is this citable somewhere? I appreciate the input but this FFL is very known for covering their own at the expense of making a potential sale (whcih, to be fair I would too..but when compelling documentation is presented its hard to not feel comfortable doing business).

[Condorguns]

[Librarian]

Residency for this specific is PC

26845. (a) No handgun may be delivered unless the purchaser, transferee, or person being loaned the firearm presents documentation indicating that the person is a California resident.

(b) Satisfactory documentation shall include a utility bill from within the last three months, a residential lease, a property deed, or military permanent duty station orders indicating assignment within this state, or other evidence of residency as permitted by the Department of Justice.

(c) The firearms dealer shall retain a photocopy of the documentation as proof of compliance with this requirement.

just as the DOJ FAQ says. (Although that part of the FAQ refers to identity...)

[Germz]

well, I guess I'll just go back in there next time and when they ask for my D/L or ID i'll just say "I don't have those, I have this...and this is sufficient"

[press press]

It doesn't matter what you use ID or orders. The orders are just a paper that take over the HSC. So no matter what if they use your CA DL or orders there still going to take your money...


Now off topic

did they move there firearms to new px. I EAS like a month before the new px opened?

[pterrell]

That's odd. Most ffls will actually prefer a ca dl over military orders because the paperwork is simpler.

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[LiferLance]

They did, if you can call them firearms. It's the most anemic display of guns I have ever seen.

[Germz]

It doesn't matter what you use ID or orders. The orders are just a paper that take over the HSC. So no matter what if they use your CA DL or orders there still going to take your money...


Now off topic

did they move there firearms to new px. I EAS like a month before the new px opened?

Yes it does actually matter in my situation. Also your statement that your "orders" replace your HSC is incorrect. You do not need to show orders in place of an HSC.

[hermosabeach]

My question-
Why do you not have residency in a state WITHOUT state income tax?

[Bobshouse]

PCS orders with a valid military ID works and a copy of a bill (government issued, car regist, gas, electric) showing your current address in California. I've been inspected many a time with no discrepancies found.