As an employee??

[geo5120]

As an employee of a 01 ffl home based dealer, am I able to travel to locations such as gun shows and other shops to purchase firearms for inventory, with the knowledge and approval of the license holder? If so, would I need any proof of employment paperwork as well as a signed copy of 01 license to make the purchases? Thanks

[acespawnshop]

Ok let me get a few things clear. 1. are you the sole proprietor of the home based ffl? 2. are the purchase you are talking about making for the scope of work for the business?

If you are taking the firearm as a dealer transfer you will need to have your FFL and then get a CFLC from them also. Wouldn't hurt to have some other documentation to prove you are authorized to purchase for the dealership. I take my FFL with me and buy firearms all the time. But I also show them my ID to prove its my FFL and have a copy of my business lic, sellers permit available too just in case.

[geo5120]

just an employee. the license holder is my wife and i do all the technical. i have my coe and have sent off my employee status forms to the cadoj a few months ago. when the new dros system kicks in, i am registered to have all authorities as the owner, just wondered how far those authorities will allow me to act. geo

[Quiet]

Unless things have changed...

Only the license holder may acquire and it needs to be for business purposes (nothing for personal use).

[tenpercentfirearms]

Unless things have changed...

Only the license holder may acquire and it needs to be for business purposes (nothing for personal use).

^I don't think so.^

As long as you are a bona fide employee, I know the ATF thinks you are fine for handling NFA items. Moving along that reasoning, you should also be fine for everything else. How would being an employee of a sole proprietorship be any different than being an employee of a corporation. You are conducting the business of the company on behalf of the owner(s). My employees can do whatever I ask them to do. Buy guns, sell guns, take guns to gun shows, possess and demo suppressors and AOWs.

Now where it might get tricky is I have heard that AW licenses the CA DOJ will bluff you and say all business must be conducted by the permit holder, but I think they are just talking out their rear on individual inspections. And that is why I am not going to bother with an AW license.

Here is the SOT documentation about bona fide employees.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=6949281

[acespawnshop]

The way I look at it 10% my employees pawn, buy, sell and order from distributors all the time as part of their job. What would be different about him going to a few other LGS to buy inventory on behalf of the business. Am I wrong in my thinking?

[tenpercentfirearms]

The way I look at it 10% my employees pawn, buy, sell and order from distributors all the time as part of their job. What would be different about him going to a few other LGS to buy inventory on behalf of the business. Am I wrong in my thinking?

I do not. They are your employees. They work on behalf of the business and can do just about anything you ask them to do.

[DEPUTYBILL]

This was a while ago. One of my friend's mother had an FFL. We purchased firearms all the time. We had copies of her FFL, and copies of a letter from her on her business letterhead saying we were authorized purchasing agents for the company. We never had a problem. We made the purchase, paid for it and gave the dealer a copy of the FFL and letter for their records.

[geo5120]

Thanks all for the great info. geo

[acespawnshop]

They are your employees. They work on behalf of the business and can do just about anything you ask them to do.

Thanks I'm printing this post and putting it on the back wall! I'm going to tell them. "see its on calguns, you have to do what I say"

[Baboosh]

Do you need a CLFC number if guns are picked up? I thought a CLFC was only needed if they were shipped into the state?

[kemasa]

Anytime a firearm is transferred TO a CA FFL, you need the CFLC number. According to the CA DOJ, if you go out of CA and pick up a firearm from a FFL, you need a CFLC number from that FFL.

It is also required for shipping to a CA FFL from a CA FFL.

[Baboosh]

Anytime a firearm is transferred TO a CA FFL, you need the CFLC number. According to the CA DOJ, if you go out of CA and pick up a firearm from a FFL, you need a CFLC number from that FFL.

It is also required for shipping to a CA FFL from a CA FFL.

Not saying you are wrong but I can't find that on the doj website. This is what I see.

California Penal Code Section 27555 prohibits all Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs), other than Type 03 or 06 FFLs, from shipping firearms to an FFL in California unless, prior to delivery, the FFL intending to deliver, sell or transfer the firearms obtains a verification approval number from the California Department of Justice (CADOJ) Bureau of Firearms. This includes transfers that occur at gun shows.

On the penal code it says.

may not sell, deliver, or transfer a firearm to a person in California

If the ffl dealer travels to Oregon to pickup then why does CA law matter regarding transfers? No party is in CA at the time I f the transfer.

[kemasa]

The view of the CA DOJ does not always agree with the law. What the CA DOJ views as "a person in CA" might be different than your view.

Ask the CA DOJ. While I don't disagree with you, that view would also goes against what the CA DOJ says, which could cause problems. When inspected, you might have a problem with having received firearms without the CFLC number. If you log the firearm from the person's name (sole proprietor), how would the CA DOJ even know that they were a FFL?

The CA DOJ cares because they want the CFLC number, perhaps to harass people and if you don't play their game, they can cause problems for you.

Look at the laws regarding the so-called high capacity magazines. Want to push that issue?