C&R Sale

[batman16]

OK - I will apologize upfront because I researched this and I'm still confused so I was hoping to get the straight scoop here. I bought a 1943 Mosin Nagant last year from Big 5. Now I want to sell it. I nor the buyer has a ffl03. Can I do a FTF cash and carry or must or go through a ffl? It was obviously registered under my name last year so I'm concerned about doing this correctly. Many thanks - I know this gets asked way too much...

[Full Clip]

Except for RAWs, rifle are not "registered" until next year.
When you bought that Mosin, you went through DROS, but there's no permanent record of that sale and no "registration."
You can sell it directly to another CA legal buyer.

[batman16]

Thanks! Happy Thanksgiving everyone!


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[Bobby Ricigliano]

It isn't registered. FTF before end of 2013 ur good.

[bbguns44]

It's not registered but Big5 does keep the record of having sold it to you.
If your buyer decides to shoot up some place & the cops find the Mosin, the
cops will go through all of the FFL dealers that the rifle went through & the
cops will eventually get the Big 5 record that showed the rifle was sold to you.
The cops will then knock on your door & ask you about the Mosin. You really
need to be able to tell them who you sold it to. If you can't, you'll need an
expensive lawyer. You need the DL details of the buyer.

[dc2allday]

You need the DL details of the buyer.

As well as a signed document saying "im not a prohibited person"

[asm_]

Just to be clear, nor DL and signed doc are legally required. They can't prosecute you just because you can't tell them exactly who the buyer was.

[SonofWWIIDI]

Just to be clear, nor DL and signed doc are legally required. They can't prosecute you just because you can't tell them exactly who the buyer was.

True, but they could possibly make your life hell for at least a few hours, possibly a few days. And a possible search warrant would make your house a giant mess.

And no DL or signed docs are required, but better to have them and not need them, than need them and not have them.


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[kemasa]

Currently, long guns over 50 years old which are a C&R are exempt from being transferred through a FFL. It is best to keep information as to who you sold the firearm to as others have said.

http://oag.ca.gov/firearms/pubfaqs#14

14. Can I sell a gun directly to another person (i.e. non-dealer)?

Generally, no. This type of transaction is referred to as a “private party transfer” and must be conducted through a fully licensed California firearms dealer. Failure to do so is a violation of California law. The purchaser (and seller if the purchaser is denied), must meet the normal firearm purchase and delivery requirements.
...
"Antique firearms," as defined in section 921(a)(16) of Title 18 of the United States Code, and curio or relic rifles/shotguns, defined in section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations, that are over 50 years old, are exempt from this requirement.

[GillaFunk]

This state has so many gun laws even the FFL's are asking questions about the laws.

[marwuhuies]

no DL or signed docs are required, but better to have them and not need them, than need them and not have them.

[asm_]

True, but they could possibly make your life hell for at least a few hours, possibly a few days. And a possible search warrant would make your house a giant mess.

The way CA is, if the C&R you sold end up in the crime scene, I doubt a signed doc and DL would stop them from turning your house up side down.

By the way, for the benefit of those that are just reading silently, what I stated only apply if you do not have 03FFL until the end of the 2013. If I remember correctly, 03FFL is required by federal law to record the namd/address of the buyer into his/her book.

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