Non PPT between CA residents

[BrettUnder]

I am familiar with the PPT requirements and process. My question is can two CA residents do a regular transfer? I know it'll cost more, etc... But, can I ship a gun to an FFL for the buyer to conduct a "normal" transfer? Like an out of state individual would do? For example if I buy a gun on gunbroker from an individual, he can ship it to my FFL who does the transfer. Can that process not be completed if the transferor is in CA? What info does the FFL need from the transferor anyway in a regular non-PPT? I know for a FTF PPT transfer the seller must have a non-expired California DL or ID.

I guess the simpler question is, what happens when an FFL receives a gun to transfer that has been shipped from CA?

Thanks!
Brett

[BrettUnder]

Handguns must be on the DOJ approved roster to be transfered using that method.

So, it can be done... Purchaser is LEO so exempt from Roster.

[North Bay Guy]

So, it can be done... Purchaser is LEO so exempt from Roster.

Yes that's my understanding. I deleted my above post because, I realized I answered a question you didn't ask. I didn't want to post any fud, I'm not an FFL. I was hoping to pull down my message before anyone saw it. Maybe someone with more expertise can clarify.

[kentactic]

Couldn't a standard PPT be done anyways? I sign over my gun at my FFL. That info and gun is shipped to the other CA FFL and they complete the PPT. Seems to me it would be the exact same process as an out of state sale.

[Librarian]

Couldn't a standard PPT be done anyways? I sign over my gun at my FFL. That info and gun is shipped to the other CA FFL and they complete the PPT. Seems to me it would be the exact same process as an out of state sale.

No - by definition in the Penal Code, a California Private Party Transfer uses one and only one CA FFL. The sale can easily be legal, but it would not be a PPT.

The Penal Code is linked in a sticky in this forum.

[Stoney Creek Arms]

You both have to be present to do a PPT. It will just be a transfer if it is shipped to an FFL.

[BrettUnder]

OK, without going into details, I'm without a CA DL or ID for a month. Therefore I can't do a PPT, even as a seller. However, I can be the seller in a standard transfer, with both parties being CA residents, correct? Just need to ship the firearm to buyers verified FFL (I suppose I could also drop it off?). For a standard transfer, what exactly does the FFL need to see from the seller (individual, not licensee)? Nothing other than contact info, correct? I'm aware of downside relating to fees and roster, and requirements related to returning firearm to me if transfer is denied. Sales/use tax seems a bit more complicated. I know PPT transactions don't get taxed. Do individual to individual standard transfers get taxed?

Thanks for everyone's input!

[GMG]

I believe even on a transfer the seller has to present a copy of a CDL, I could be wrong.

[Stoney Creek Arms]

Seller has to present a copy of CDL. Customer's buy items from out of state and in order to receive, the seller has to send his driver's license in the box. We always need a copy.
If both parties are in CA and present at time of transfer, no sales tax is required. Other than that CA tax is charged.

[BrettUnder]

Seller has to present a copy of CDL. Customer's buy items from out of state and in order to receive, the seller has to send his driver's license in the box. We always need a copy.
If both parties are in CA and present at time of transfer, no sales tax is required. Other than that CA tax is charged.

Thanks for your help!

I have a copy of my drivers license, but don't have the actual hard license itself (which is not expired or suspended). So if I mail the pistol to an FFL for transfer a copy of my DL is fine, but if I'm actually there it has to be the actual thing. I understand the logistics of why it is this way, but sure is screwed up.

[kemasa]

You can ship a firearm to a FFL, assuming that the FFL accepts firearms from private parties. There is nothing special about where the firearm comes from if it is shipped (in state or out of state). Some FFLs will require a copy of your ID to log where the firearm came from though.

If it is from within CA, you should write a letter saying that it is a private sale, an occasional sale and not from a business so that sales tax does not have to be collected (as long as the FFL doing the transfer does not get involved in finding the buyer/seller nor the price).

[BrettUnder]

You can ship a firearm to a FFL, assuming that the FFL accepts firearms from private parties. There is nothing special about where the firearm comes from if it is shipped (in state or out of state). Some FFLs will require a copy of your ID to log where the firearm came from though.

If it is from within CA, you should write a letter saying that it is a private sale, an occasional sale and not from a business so that sales tax does not have to be collected (as long as the FFL doing the transfer does not get involved in finding the buyer/seller nor the price).

Hi Ken, I almost emailed you directly on this, and would have used you if it were my choice... That's exactly what I thought, but couldn't quite find all the answers. Thanks again, hopefully have something for you to transfer to me soon!