Question regarding CA DOJ handgun Roster

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Found my answer. Thank you.

[code_blue]

No, the exact model numbers have to match. I already tried. Ex: Sigs now have "CA" after their pistols which notates the CA LCI and mag disconnect versions. It is still essentially the same pistol, but not.

IIRC CA uses a point system and the manufacturer can modify a pistol only so much before it becomes classified as a different pistol. This is something as simple as adding a beaver tail, front cocking serrations, or night sights.

If you DROS'd before the list came into effect you SHOULD be fine, but who knows given the current condition of both the CA and Fed Governments.

[Discogodfather]

Another bizarre note on the list: I bought a used Steyr M on gunbroker, had it sent to a bay area FFL. Steyr was on the list until 2011 with M, but did not renew after that.

The used gun I bought was a 2006, and the Steyr M was on the list in 2006. Long story short, after 5 tries with FFL's around the bay area, no one would accept it because it was out of state and not on the current list.

Pretty retarded that it was once on the list.............

[DEPUTYBILL]

Unless your exempt, the gun is exempt, or do a SSE, any handgun coming out of state to California has to be on the roster. The date is was made has nothing to do with the roster ,unless it is a C&R. If it fell off the roster because the maker did not pay the extortion fees, it is off for good.

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Unless your exempt, the gun is exempt, or do a SSE, any handgun coming out of state to California has to be on the roster. The date is was made has nothing to do with the roster ,unless it is a C&R. If it fell off the roster because the maker did not pay the extortion fees, it is off for good.

Found the answer. Thank you.

[oddjob]

My understanding is once the DROS is started your OK. I can't remember where I read that though.

[HDPE Guy]

Unless it is a factory-fresh pistol in the original packaging, how can the receiving FFL even find out what the model number is?

For example, say I bought a 5-year old used H&K USP in 9mm. There is about a dozen different SKUs for those (different trigger configurations, shipped with different magazines for 10-round versus large-capacity states). But on a used gun, all the gunsmith knows that it is a USP 9mm. I always thought that the roster is interpreted this way: "There is currently a USP 9mm with the correct material and barrel length on the roster; this gun seems to be that model; it can go ahead".

If that's true, then the two versions of the Cz 75 are indistinguishable, once removed from their factory packaging. In that case, does it matter whether this particular pistol was a 91552 or a 01552 when it came from the factory?

Obviously, if the gun is in the factory packaging, with serial number and model number indicated on the case, that information would have to match the roster exactly.

I think what the OP wants to know is if the SKU number for a pistol on the CA Roster makes a difference during the 10 day wait.



For example, as of today, the CA roster shows the CZ 75B 9mm with the SKU 01552 which is the SKU for the pistol with 10 round mags. The OP has the SKU with 91552. It's the same pistol but the only difference is the mag capacity. The OP did DROS on 91552 but at the time the CA roster did NOT show the SKU numbers next to the Model CZ 75B 9mm.

FWIW, my CZ cases do show the SKU number. I have a CZ that has a SKU starting with (0) and another that has a (9)

[Discogodfather]

I have found it to be a huge gray area. I just bought a Walther P99cAS from a local dealer and it was not a CA model. It's brand new and made in 2013 according to the codes. I was just at a friends house and he had a new M9, also not a CA version, did have a ten round mag. He just bought it a week ago from galleryofguns.

I just don't get the entire concept. For instance, how is a Walther PPQ ever legal in CA? I have seen a few in CA, and they where all DROS'd and legal.

Do guns that where on the list in the past (for instance, the year they where sold) make it kosher? Or Does it have to be on the list currently to ever be considered ok?

[Librarian]

I just don't get the entire concept. For instance, how is a Walther PPQ ever legal in CA? I have seen a few in CA, and they where all DROS'd and legal.

Do guns that where on the list in the past (for instance, the year they where sold) make it kosher? Or Does it have to be on the list currently to ever be considered ok?

Not getting the concept shows you can actually think. That's good for you, but an impediment to understanding CA gun laws.

'On the Roster' is not a condition of ownership or possession; it affects some sales from dealer stock.

With the laws as they are in October, 2013 ...

Off-Roster guns get to CA three ways:
1) a person from out of state moves here with one
2) LEO buy them
3) The guns get modified for SSE

And, one can modify an on-Roster gun to a configuration different from the Roster-tested version.

Once here (or modified), they can be sold by one CA resident to another CA resident, with the mandatory use of the services of a CA FFL.

Once a gun is off the Roster, there is no legal difference between 'never on the Roster' and 'used to be on the Roster', except for that narrow situation where one was on, purchased and in 10-day wait, and falls off inside that 10 days.

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Not getting the concept shows you can actually think. That's good for you, but an impediment to understanding CA gun laws.

'On the Roster' is not a condition of ownership or possession; it affects some sales from dealer stock.

With the laws as they are in October, 2013 ...

Off-Roster guns get to CA three ways:
1) a person from out of state moves here with one
2) LEO buy them
3) The guns get modified for SSE

And, one can modify an on-Roster gun to a configuration different from the Roster-tested version.

Once here (or modified), they can be sold by one CA resident to another CA resident, with the mandatory use of the services of a CA FFL.

Once a gun is off the Roster, there is no legal difference between 'never on the Roster' and 'used to be on the Roster', except for that narrow situation where one was on, purchased and in 10-day wait, and falls off inside that 10 days.

And that is what I was wondering. Thanks Librarian.

[Discogodfather]

Not getting the concept shows you can actually think. That's good for you, but an impediment to understanding CA gun laws.

'On the Roster' is not a condition of ownership or possession; it affects some sales from dealer stock.

With the laws as they are in October, 2013 ...

Off-Roster guns get to CA three ways:
1) a person from out of state moves here with one
2) LEO buy them
3) The guns get modified for SSE

And, one can modify an on-Roster gun to a configuration different from the Roster-tested version.

Once here (or modified), they can be sold by one CA resident to another CA resident, with the mandatory use of the services of a CA FFL.

Once a gun is off the Roster, there is no legal difference between 'never on the Roster' and 'used to be on the Roster', except for that narrow situation where one was on, purchased and in 10-day wait, and falls off inside that 10 days.

Finally some good information, makes sense.

[kemasa]

...
With the laws as they are in October, 2013 ...

Off-Roster guns get to CA three ways:
1) a person from out of state moves here with one
2) LEO buy them
3) The guns get modified for SSE

What about:

An intrafamilial transfer from a parent out of state?
Dual resident of two states?

[Librarian]

What about:

An intrafamilial transfer from a parent out of state?
Dual resident of two states?

I suspect intrafamilial is a larger number than SSE, but no data. Forgot that one. (I think that's because all my immediate family live in CA.)

Dual resident? Absolutely no information on volume, except that dual residents seem to be rare - but both are additional ways off-Roster guns get here.

To re-order in my estimated volume
1) LEO buy them (CA has about 77K sworn officers)
2) a person from out of state moves here with one
3) Intrafamilial interstate transfer
4) The guns get modified for SSE
5) Dual-state residents sell them

[kemasa]

Also, for revolvers which are large enough, there is a single action conversion.

The DOJ gave me instructions on how to do the dual resident, which was surprising.

[Cheesesteak]

Excuse my ignorance but is the sku number stamped onto the weapon or is it just part of the paperwork? So once it has been released after DROS a high cap handgun would be indistinguishable from a low cap. 91102/01102