Question about current documents

[cosmos7]

Understand that any and all documents for establishing identity and proof of residency should be current and non-expired, but ran into an interesting question the other day.

Purchased handgun, showed current ID and current proof of residency (vehicle registration, they took a copy), and did DROS all ok. Go away, wait my 10 days, and come back. Checking through the paperwork clerk discovers vehicle registration has now expired, and wants new PoR.

In my mind this is unnecessary because documents only need to be current at time of DROS. Clerk was adamant about not releasing the gun, but I eventually talked the owner into doing it. Pretty sure both the owner and I were correct, but figured I would check.

[kemasa]

The CA DL/ID has to be valid when you pick up the firearm, not just at the start.

I don't see anything which says either way for the CA requirement though. It is reasonable to have it be valid at the time of pickup, but I don't know that it is required. You should have an updated vehicle registration, so why not just show it?

[cosmos7]

The CA DL/ID has to be valid when you pick up the firearm, not just at the start.

That's interesting. Been buying guns for a long time now and I can't remember anyone actually checking my ID at pickup, only at time of DROS.

You should have an updated vehicle registration, so why not just show it?

I do, just didn't have it with me at the time which is what prompted the discussion.

[kemasa]

That's interesting. Been buying guns for a long time now and I can't remember anyone actually checking my ID at pickup, only at time of DROS.

They are supposed to, you never know if you might have changed. Actually, it is also to prevent someone else from coming and picking up the firearm instead of you.

I do, just didn't have it with me at the time which is what prompted the discussion.

Understandable. You could also email it to them for their records. It is an interesting question though.

[acespawnshop]

That's interesting. Been buying guns for a long time now and I can't remember anyone actually checking my ID at pickup, only at time of DROS.

WOW really? We double check everything before a gun leaves. ID, paperwork, DROS to be sure there isn't a delay or denial. MOD double checks paperwork when teller is finished with the 4473 and DROS packet to be sure we comply with all DOJ and ATF requirements.

[kemasa]

I finally was able to ask the CA DOJ and the answer is that the proof of residency for handguns has to be provided only at the start of the paperwork (this is not the DL/ID). If it expires during the waiting period it does not matter. Of course this was all verbal, so it does count for much, but I wanted to know myself, so I asked.

[tenpercentfirearms]

I finally was able to ask the CA DOJ and the answer is that the proof of residency for handguns has to be provided only at the start of the paperwork (this is not the DL/ID). If it expires during the waiting period it does not matter. Of course this was all verbal, so it does count for much, but I wanted to know myself, so I asked.

That is what I have always did. More accurately, at the time they give it to me it must be valid. So if you bring it in at pick up and it was valid when you first came in and not valid now, I would ask for another one.

[foxtrotuniformlima]

That's interesting. Been buying guns for a long time now and I can't remember anyone actually checking my ID at pickup, only at time of DROS.

They probably photocopied it when they started the DROS. Clerk probably looked at the copy and said, " yep, same guy" and moved on. That is how it went for me recently at Ammo Bros.

[kemasa]

Actually, I was told that the proof has to be provided at the start of the DROS, not later.

[Stoney Creek Arms]

I always check ID at the beginning of DROS and at pick up. Better safe than sorry.

[cosmos7]

Pretty much what I surmised... thanks for the info.

[tenpercentfirearms]

Actually, I was told that the proof has to be provided at the start of the DROS, not later.

That is probably correct since you technically shouldn't start someone unless they are eligible to purchase. On a practical note, they don't get their gun if they don't bring it in. Worst case you might have a 30 days expired with no supporting documenation if they bail on you.

I have yet to have that happen on a whole lot of firearms.

[kemasa]

I just looked up the CA PC:

26845. (a) No handgun may be delivered unless the purchaser,
transferee, or person being loaned the firearm presents documentation
indicating that the person is a California resident.
(b) Satisfactory documentation shall include a utility bill from
within the last three months, a residential lease, a property deed,
or military permanent duty station orders indicating assignment
within this state, or other evidence of residency as permitted by the
Department of Justice.
(c) The firearms dealer shall retain a photocopy of the
documentation as proof of compliance with this requirement.

This conflicts with what I was told since the CA PC says that you can not DELIVER the handgun unless documentation is provided. It says nothing about having to do it at the start of the DROS.

It does not say that you have to do it at the start AND at pickup either, so it seems that you only have to check once, but it says that you can't deliver the handgun unless you have the documentation, so that tends to indicate that it should be valid at the time of pickup.