Off List Handgun Sales

[survival-country]

I'm Sure at some point this question has been answered but I was unable to find a discussion regarding this issue. So here it goes.

I have a customer who what's to consign or sale a number of hand gun and revolvers to us but none of these firearms are on the current California roster. We are new to the FFL's attempting to navigate the process. Thanks.

[glockman19]

No problem in the transfer. The Roster is ONLY for NEW firearms sales. Many NEW firearms NOT on the Approved List can be configured to a Single Shot Conversion allowing the DROS in CA. The owner can reconfigure the firearm to semi-auto after he takes possession.

[ptusa]

No problem in the transfer. The Roster is ONLY for NEW firearms sales. Many NEW firearms NOT on the Approved List can be configured to a Single Shot Conversion allowing the DROS in CA. The owner can reconfigure the firearm to semi-auto after he takes possession.

The roster has nothing to do with "new" or "used"...

[glockman19]

The roster has nothing to do with "new" or "used"...

Off List handguns can be brought into the state if you are a new resident.
Off List handguns can be purchased by LE.
Off List handguns can be transferred through any FFL on Consignment or PPT from one resident to another.
Single Shot handguns are Exempt from the list in addition to Single Action revolvers.

The "Approved List" is ONLY for NEW gun sales.

[ptusa]

Off List handguns can be brought into the state if you are a new resident.
Off List handguns can be purchased by LE.
Off List handguns can be transferred through any FFL on Consignment or PPT from one resident to another.
Single Shot handguns are Exempt from the list in addition to Single Action revolvers.

The "Approved List" is ONLY for NEW gun sales.

Yup to one, two, three, and four.

Nope to point five...Roster has nothing to do with "new" vs. "used"

[glockman19]

The roster has nothing to do with "new" or "used"...

Nope

TROLL


From the DOJ web site:

Effective January 1, 2001, no handgun may be manufactured within California, imported into California for sale, lent, given, kept for sale, or offered/exposed for sale unless that handgun model has passed firing, safety, and drop tests and is certified for sale in California by the Department of Justice. Private party transfers, curio/relic handguns, certain single-action revolvers, and pawn/consignment returns are exempt from this requirement.

[ptusa]

TROLL

Can a dealer sell "used" off roster handguns from his inventory to a non-exempt person without doing SSE or Single Action?

No? Why not?

Because of the roster...and the fact that the roster has nothing to do with "new" vs. "used".

[naeco81]

Can a dealer sell "used" off roster handguns from his inventory to a non-exempt person without doing SSE or Single Action?

No? Why not?

Because of the roster...and the fact that the roster has nothing to do with "new" vs. "used".

This is correct. Roster has nothing to do with "new" versus "used" in a technical sense, though practically most PPTs are of used guns. Neither of you are addressing the question OP asked though, which is how the roster relates to consignment.

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/FAQ#If_the_consignment_firearm_is_a_handgun.2C_does_it_need_to_be_listed_on_the_.22Roster.3F.22

That's the best information I have on it, but I am not an FFL. Hopefully an experienced FFL can chime in here. If memory serves me right there is a specific license to have in order to accept guns for sale on consignment. Might start there on Google OP. Good luck!

[glockman19]

Can a dealer sell "used" off roster handguns from his inventory to a non-exempt person without doing SSE or Single Action?

No? Why not?

Because of the roster...and the fact that the roster has nothing to do with "new" vs. "used".

The OP asked if his transaction was legal...it is.

@survival-country - Go ahead and take the consignment for a PPT. Handguns can be legally transferred.

Welcome to Cal Guns

[ptusa]

You are pissing in the wind...and getting all wet.

The OP asked if his transaction was legal...it is.

@survival-country - Go ahead and take the consignment for a PPT. Handguns can be legally transferred.

Welcome to Cal Guns

The OP said he had a customer who want to "consign or sale" multiple off roster handguns to his shop.

Consign would be fine if they want to resell without worrying about the roster, if the shop bought them outright for inventory the roster restrictions would then apply.

Note that none of the above has anything to do with "NEW" vs. "USED"...or pissing.

[glockman19]

This is correct. Roster has nothing to do with "new" versus "used" in a technical sense, though practically most PPTs are of used guns. Neither of you are addressing the question OP asked though, which is how the roster relates to consignment.

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/FAQ#If_the_consignment_firearm_is_a_handgun.2C_does_it_need_to_be_listed_on_the_.22Roster.3F.22

That's the best information I have on it, but I am not an FFL. Hopefully an experienced FFL can chime in here. If memory serves me right there is a specific license to have in order to accept guns for sale on consignment. Might start there on Google OP. Good luck!

Yes...I Answered the OP's Q.

Private party transfers, curio/relic handguns, certain single-action revolvers, and pawn/consignment returns are exempt from this requirement.

[glockman19]

The OP said he had a customer who want to "consign or sale" multiple off roster handguns to his shop.

Consign would be fine if they want to resell without worrying about the roster, if the shop bought them outright for inventory the roster restrictions would then apply.

Note that none of the above has anything to do with "NEW" vs. "USED"...or pisssing (no matter how much you may like that type of thing).

I answered the OP's question. Leave it at that.

[ptusa]

I answered the OP's question. Leave it at that.

OK...sounds good.

[survival-country]

I'm Sure at some point this question has been answered but I was unable to find a discussion regarding this issue. So here it goes.

I have a customer who what's to consign or sale a number of hand gun and revolvers to us but none of these firearms are on the current California roster. We are new to the FFL's attempting to navigate the process. Thanks.

Thanks to everyone who has responded to this question. I guess I need to go further with my question as the responses received so far have left me still a bit unsure. Here it goes again:
If we purchase the firearms then they must be on the California approved list??

[naeco81]

Yes...I Answered the OP's Q.

I don't believe you did, but perhaps. I'm not clear on the what the distinction of returns means in that language, and you shouldn't guess either. I think it's best to let an FFL provide clarification. There may also be special licensing requirements for consignment sales that OP is unaware of.