DO NOT USE MARTIN B RETTING IN CULVER CITY

[Socalmedix]

Just a quick heads up, my brother drove 45+miles to get to Martin B Rettings in Culver City and was denied selling a gun due to the fact he was not 21 years old.
This shop has no ideas of the laws and refused to provide a California penal code regarding a 20 year old selling a handgun. The gun was transferred to him from our father and the correct DOJ form was filed along with the $19 check prior to him going to sell it. This shop was ignorant and did not treat him as a human being, treating him with no respect and just giving him the "oh you are just a dumb kid routine." Well help spread the word on this shop with a ****ty attitude and refusing services...

[Librarian]

Can't comment on the attitude, but one point - on a PPT, the seller needs to be able to receive a gun through an FFL, in case the buyer fails background check.

For a handgun, that means the seller must be 21 - both CA and Fed law require 21 for handguns through the FFL.

If FFL can't return the gun to the seller, have to dispose of it to LEO. So, while they may not have been thinking of that, could be they saved a potential problem.

[Socalmedix]

As I understand it can be ppt back to my dad if that was the case?

And they were not thinking of anything like that, they told him it was illegal and they would have to turn him into the DOJ if he tried to sell it.

[acespawnshop]

As I understand it can be ppt back to my dad if that was the case?

Thought that you said it was submitted to DOJ along with the $19? So The firearm would be the 20 year olds and not the fathers anymore. In the case of a DROS denial then the firearm would have to go back to the 20 year old, same as if the buyer fails to pick it up within the 30 days if I understand correctly.

Strange that they were rude about it though. Did they call to make arrangements prior to going down there to transfer?

[bruceflinch]

Dat Blows!

[tenpercentfirearms]

Don't worry I won't. I am an FFL, so I tend not to use other FFLs for PPTs.

Plus like was mentioned, it sounds like they saved your brother from possibly losing his firearm when it had to be turned over to the police if the buyer failed background.

Based on this, I wouldn't PPT a gun from a under 20 year old either.

[Socalmedix]

It doesn't matter, my brother will be 21 in less than a month, they could have worked around it if they had to return the gun. I'm always up for a stand up business that will back up us Ca gun owners. They clearly don't care about the customer.

Sad to hear you share the same POV tenpercent... I heard a lot of good about your shop lol.

[gogohopper]

Having run my own company I have some insight into what an unhappy customer will perceive as rude and unprofessional. Basically, anything short of them not getting their way.

I have listened in on customer calls, from the very beginning of a call. The employee was polite, empathetic, yet non wavering. When the customer would ask to speak to a manager, I'd wait 10 seconds or so then "get on the line". In most cases whatever came out of the customers mouth next would be a flat out lie. Your staff said this, he told me that, he called me this...Just pure crap.

I'd bet you're perspective is skewed because you walked out of there without getting what you wanted. Could they be wrong, possibly, not even related to the point I'm making. Were they rude, no respect, and sh***y attitude like you imply? Not likely.

Grow up kid....

[ke6guj]

Can't comment on the attitude, but one point - on a PPT, the seller needs to be able to receive a gun through an FFL, in case the buyer fails background check.

For a handgun, that means the seller must be 21 - both CA and Fed law require 21 for handguns through the FFL.

If FFL can't return the gun to the seller, have to dispose of it to LEO. So, while they may not have been thinking of that, could be they saved a potential problem.

is that 21 rule absolute? can a 20-year old bring his legally obtained handgun to an FFL for overnight repair? Is the FFL prohibited from returning it to the owner? no 4473 is needed for the return AFAIK.

IIRC, for a pawn return, a 4473 is needed, would it be required for a failed PPT return as well?

[Powder_Keg]

Did you copy and paste the same thread from yesterday?

You posted this exact same thread yesterday before changing the title of the thread and deleting all the text. It looks like an exact copy and past of what's below. You seem hell bent on burning Martin B Rettings? Looks like you got your answers from the post below. Link to your original thread is below too.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=749943

Just a quick heads up, my brother drove 45+miles to get to Martin B Rettings in Culver City and was denied selling a gun due to the fact he was not 21 years old.
This shop has no ideas of the laws and refused to provide a California penal code regarding a 20 year old selling a handgun. The gun was transferred to him from our father and the correct DOJ form was filed along with the $19 check prior to him going to sell it. This shop was ignorant and did not treat him as a human being, treating him with no respect and just giving him the "oh you are just a dumb kid routine." Well help spread the word on this shop with a ****ty attitude and refusing services...

[Tanner68]

You posted this exact same thread yesterday before changing the title of the thread and deleting all the text. It look like an exact copy and past of what's below. You seem hell bent on burning Martin B Rettings? Look like you got your answers from the post below. Link to your original thread is below too.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=749943

I was wondering what happened to my post. Looks like the OP's campaign is seriously faltering. I think I will go to MBR and drop some coin as a tribute to the OP.

[gogohopper]

Poor poor OP. Nobody to rant with.

[parcours]

I would have to agree with the OP on the rudeness of MBR.

I drove 60 miles to purchase a rifle that is fairly difficult to find, Styer SSG (the original green stock ones). Got there, looked over the rifle and said, I'll take it... Handed the salesmen my DL and CCW. He looks at the CCW and says, " what's this for"? I said, since my DL has a PO Box you need my actual address... He looked at me as I was from Mars. Headed to the back came out with his boss... His boss tells me, I can't sell you this rifle, your DL has a PO Box. I said, I know, that's why you have my CCW. He goes on to say he can't use the CCW as proof of residency... OK, I've purchased handguns and rifles with that without issues, he stays the course, nope we can't sell you this rifle.

I explained to him then why can I purchase a handgun with the DOJ exemption code X41 that excludes from having a HSC and even proof of residency? The CCW is an govenerment issues ID with a start-end date, my picture, finger print, etc. He had no answer.

I told him thanks and you just lost a $3000 sale.

So, yes MBR needs to get a better handle on the laws and not be so obtuse. I got into a similar situation with Turners, at least they realized their mistake and sold me the gun.

[xbimmers]

I have had nothing but excellent service at Martin B Redding.

[Davinho]

Been a semi-regular customer of MBR for a few years now, and I've definitely noticed a change the feel of the shop over the last year. I think the stress is getting to them. Long lines of panicked and/or low information buyers. Local, state, and federal government agents harassing them at every opportunity. And obnoxious gits like me wanting to do PPTs which net them very little in profit but take up valuable time.

The intra-family/direct ancestor exception is so obscure that most district attorneys don't know about it. I'm not surprised that some clerk at a gun store isn't up on every nuance of CA's rapidly changing legal minefield.

I say cut 'em some slack.