Gift to Dad & ar15 lower sales question

[Rooftop Voter]

I'm trying to sell 2 complete AR 15 lowers & ive got an interested buyer but I have an AZ DL. Can I gift my CA resident father (any required paperwork?) my lowers so he can then ship them to the buyer (an FFL 1 up in NorCal)?
I'd really like to avoid buying a CA ID card for one transaction! & it'll take up to 60 days to receive the damn thing!


Also I just need an email from the FFL buyer showing his license & I'll be good to go with shipping directly to the FFL correct?

Thanks!

[Librarian]

I'm trying to sell 2 complete AR 15 lowers & ive got an interested buyer but I have an AZ DL. Can I gift my CA resident father (any required paperwork?) my lowers so he can then ship them to the buyer (an FFL 1 up in NorCal)?
I'd really like to avoid buying a CA ID card for one transaction! & it'll take up to 60 days to receive the damn thing!


Also I just need an email from the FFL buyer showing his license & I'll be good to go with shipping directly to the FFL correct?

Thanks!

If you are a resident of AZ, moving those lowers to any resident of CA - your father or your buyer - requires going through a CA FFL, per Federal law.

Since your buyer is an FFL, that's not an issue; getting the guns shipped is. You don't need a CA ID for that.

[Rooftop Voter]

I'm currently in CA & the lowers are with me now. Can I ship to the CA FFL directly?

[tenpercentfirearms]

I'm currently in CA & the lowers are with me now. Can I ship to the CA FFL directly?

You can also just take them into the shop. If you brought me in two lowers and said I want to put these in this guy's name, I would ask for your ID and input you in my bound book the same way as if you shipped them. The only thing is the buyer is not completing a PPT, so the $35 max rate does not apply and I would charge him my standard rate of $50 plus $25 for DROS and he would additionally need to pay sales tax on the purchase price.

[Rooftop Voter]

The only issue is that I now have an AZ DL and no form of CA ID or DL. If I were to get a CA ID tomorrow could I send the dealer my paper copy of my CA ID until I get my CA ID in the mail? Hopefully it would only take the DMV 1-3 weeks to get it to me...

Also - I am located in San Diego and the buyer is up in Santa Rosa (buyer is a FFL BTW).

If I go back to Flagstaff AZ - could I ship the lowers through an FFL in AZ that is on the CLFC () and is willing to deal with that CA BS law?

You can also just take them into the shop. If you brought me in two lowers and said I want to put these in this guy's name, I would ask for your ID and input you in my bound book the same way as if you shipped them. The only thing is the buyer is not completing a PPT, so the $35 max rate does not apply and I would charge him my standard rate of $50 plus $25 for DROS and he would additionally need to pay sales tax on the purchase price.

[Librarian]

The only issue is that I now have an AZ DL and no form of CA ID or DL. If I were to get a CA ID tomorrow could I send the dealer my paper copy of my CA ID until I get my CA ID in the mail? Hopefully it would only take the DMV 1-3 weeks to get it to me...

Also - I am located in San Diego and the buyer is up in Santa Rosa (buyer is a FFL BTW).

If I go back to Flagstaff AZ - could I ship the lowers through an FFL in AZ that is on the CLFC () and is willing to deal with that CA BS law?

No, no, if it were convenient for you to drive to Santa Rosa, you could deliver the lowers in person - no need for CA ID. It would be an interstate transfer, and as Wes says, the fee would be 'regular'.

The bit with CA ID is a CA resident needs that to BUY, and if a seller wants to take advantage of the CA 'Private Party Transfer' law, and get the limited fee that requires, then the seller must have CA ID. No CA ID, no CA PPT.

Perfectly legal for AZ resident to sell a gun to a CA resident, using a CA FFL, either shipping it from AZ or by appearing with the buyer at the CA FFL. (California has some ideas about the guns - Roster and 'assault weapons'.)

[Rooftop Voter]

So I can't ship it to an FFL in CA from CA (CFLC restrictions since I'm not an FFL MYSELF)? But I can sell it to a non FFL thru a CA FFL in CA but it'll be a non-PPT transaction?

[Librarian]

So I can't ship it to an FFL in CA from CA (CFLC restrictions since I'm not an FFL MYSELF)? But I can sell it to a non FFL thru a CA FFL in CA but it'll be a non-PPT transaction?

Too complicated.

Let me start again.

You live in AZ.

You want to sell a gun to someone in CA.

Here is what you can do:

1) ship the gun(s) to a CA FFL. As a private person, you are not involved in the CFLC stuff. Only drawback is that some FFLs do not like to receive directly from non-FFLs. Should not be an issue in this case, since the CA FFL in question is the buyer.

2) Appear in person at the CA FFL and deliver the guns for subsequent sale to the buyer. Since CA PPT is for CA residents, does not matter if the buyer appears at the FFL at the same time. It's OK, but not required.

(PPT actually doesn't require simultaneous buyer and seller presence, that's just how it usually works - it does require using the SAME FFL where each of buyer and seller make a personal appearance, or in the case of the buyer, 2 appearances, one 10 days after the other! But, AZ-resident to CA-resident cannot be a CA PPT.)

[Rooftop Voter]

Ok - I'll ask the CA FFL if he is okay with receiving from a non FFL.
Thanks for your help!

[DavidR310]

You can also just take them into the shop. If you brought me in two lowers and said I want to put these in this guy's name, I would ask for your ID and input you in my bound book the same way as if you shipped them. The only thing is the buyer is not completing a PPT, so the $35 max rate does not apply and I would charge him my standard rate of $50 plus $25 for DROS and he would additionally need to pay sales tax on the purchase price.

What if the firearm is being given to you, say from a brother or uncle out of state? Would the sales tax just be zero?

Sorry for the threadjack.

[kemasa]

If the firearm is a gift, then there would not be any sales tax. BUT some people try to claim that firearms that they buy is a gift, which is tax evasion and which is a problem. You would need documentation that it is a gift, such as a letter.