4473 Proof of Residency - List with Discussion

[XDshooter]

FFL's, please discuss whether these would be valid when the address is not correct on CDL or CID.
Non-FFL's, post your experiences from 2012 only. Don't need to hear what Big 5 didn't accept in 2005.

When a concensus is made, I'll update the list.

Up For Discussion:
- DMV Incomplete Vehicle Registration Printout from DMV. The one they give you when you still need to smog the vehicle for example.
- DMV Driving History Printout from DMV.
- Government Utilities - Lets get a list of them.


Approved: Please continue to discuss if you disagree with any of these listed here.
- DMV Vehicle Registration Printout from DMV.
- DMV Vehicle Registration White Card from mail.
- DMV Vehicle Registration Renewal Notice
- Voter Registration Card.
- Government Utilities - Lets get a list of them.
LA DWP
City of Sacramento Department of Utilities


Not Acceptable: Please continue to discuss if you disagree with any of these listed here.
- DMV Driving History Printout from Online.
- Brown change of address card
- Non Government Utilities
PG&E
Socal Gas
AT&T - Home Line
Pacific Bell

[Coded-Dude]

DMV Driving History Record - Costs about 5-15 bucks if I recall correctly(depending on how many years you want to go back) and will have your current address.

You used to be able to print a one year record online, but I haven't tried to use that one(and dont know if its still available). I went to the DMV and got my driving record there.

[XDshooter]

Added two suggested by Coded-Dude.

[justjeff]

Voter registration card

[XDshooter]

Reorganized the list.

[Coded-Dude]

DMV Driving History Printout from DMV. <<--this does work, I have used it to buy firearms at sportsmans. The only thing I am not sure about is the online record(if it works or if you can even still print it out).

[XDshooter]

DMV Driving History Printout from DMV. <<--this does work, I have used it to buy firearms at sportsmans. The only thing I am not sure about is the online record(if it works or if you can even still print it out).

Does the DMV printed driving record have your current license expiration date on it?

You can get a printout online, it's $2 I think. It says on it that it is not an official driving record.

I'm thinking anything printed out at the DMV that has your name, address, and an expiration date on it would be acceptable. Anything printed out online would not be official, so not acceptable.


Let's keep it going. We want to make sure no one has to stand in line at the DMV or delay their firearm purchase.

[tenpercentfirearms]

I wouldn't make a list to limit yourself. Any government issued document works.

So Cal Gas is not a government issued document so it needs to go into the Not Acceptable catagory.

Everything else in your up for debate is not up for debate. If it is a government issued document, it is good.

[PolishMike]

Please specify if you are talking about federal proof of id or state proof of residency.

[XDshooter]

I wouldn't make a list to limit yourself. Any government issued document works.

So Cal Gas is not a government issued document so it needs to go into the Not Acceptable catagory.

Everything else in your up for debate is not up for debate. If it is a government issued document, it is good.

Thanks Wes. First FFL to help the cause.

The list is intended to help not have delays or have to go stand in line at the DMV to get a Vehicle Registration print out if a person has something else already laying around. This happened to me. The FFL was no help in alternates. If I would have known there are plenty of things you can actually use, this list would have been very useful. The main area is the government utility part. Many utilities are not government.

I'm assuming LA DWP is a government utility?

Could you comment specifically on the DMV stuff I listed?
Does it need to have an expiration date?
Does it have to be printed by the government agency or does online self print work?

[XDshooter]

Please specify if you are talking about federal proof of id or state proof of residency.

4473 proof of residency. Federal Form.

However, a list for State Proof would be nice to have as well.

[Librarian]

4473 proof of residency. Federal Form.

However, a list for State Proof would be nice to have as well.

State is easy - right in their FAQ:

33 What documentation is acceptable to demonstrate proof of residency for handgun purchasers?

Utility bill from within the past three months that bears on its face the individual's name and either of the following:

The individual's current residential address as declared on the Dealer's Record of Sale (DROS) form

or

The individual's residential address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto.

"Utility bill" means a statement of charges for providing service to the individual's residence by either a physical connection (i.e., hard wired telephone connection or cable connection, or a water or gas pipeline connection) or a telemetric connection (i.e., satellite television or radio broadcast service) to a non-mobile, fixed antenna reception device.

Residential lease that bears the individual's name and either of the following:

The individual's current residential address as declared on the Dealer's Record of Sale (DROS) form

or

The individual's address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification card, or change of address attachment thereto.

"Residential lease" means either of the following:

A signed and dated contract by which the individual (tenant)agrees to pay a specified monetary sum or provide other consideration for the right to occupy an abode for a specified period of time

or

A signed and dated rental agreement by which the individual (tenant) agrees to pay a specified monetary sum or provide other consideration at fixed intervals for the right to occupy an abode.

Property deed that bears the individual's name and either of the following:

The individual's current residential address as declared on the Dealer's Record of Sale (DROS) form

or

The individual's address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto.

"Property deed" means either or the following:

A valid deed of trust for the individual's property of current residence that identifies the individual as a grantee of the trust

or

A valid Certificate of title issued by a licensed title insurance company that identifies the individual as a title holder to his or her property of current residence.

Current, government-issued license, permit, or registration, other than a CA Driver License or CA Identification Card, that has a specified expiration date or period of validity. The license, permit, or registration must bear the individual's name and either of the following:

The individual's current residential address as declared on the Dealer's Record of Sale (DROS) form

or

The individual's address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto.

Examples of acceptable proof of residency:

Current DMV registrations.
Electricity, gas, cable bill with purchaser's name onit from within the last 3 months.
Signed, dated and notarized rental agreement/contract.

Examples of documents that are NOT acceptable proof of residency:

Hunting or fishing license (these documents are not issued by the government).
Cellular phone bill.

34 What proof of residency are peace officers required to provide to the firearms dealer?

Peace officers, including reserve and retired peace officers, may present valid credentials issued by a California law enforcement agency in lieu of the other required residency documentation. This consideration is given to peace officers who do not want to provide documentation of their residence address for security reasons and who otherwise do not object to having their credentials copied by the firearms dealer for inclusion with the DROS record.

(PC section 12071)

Just noticed that "Property Deed" does not include a "Grant Deed", but only a "Deed of Trust", evidence of a loan against the property. Odd. Sometimes a "Grant Deed" does not have the address, but only the 'legal description', for example 'Lot 12 of Shady Acres, as described on the map recorded in book 3, page 27 of Whatever County Maps'; perhaps that explains it.

[XDshooter]

State is easy - right in their FAQ:

Thanks Librarian.

The state list is fairly explanatory.

[tenpercentfirearms]

Federal is actually easier than state.

http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf

Question 20.b. Alternate Documentation: Licensees may accept a combination of valid government-issued documents to satisfy the identification document requirements of the law. The required valid government-issued photo identifica- tion document bearing the name, photograph, and date of birth of transferee may be supplemented by another valid, government-issued document showing the transferee’s residence address. This alternate documentation should be recorded in question 20.b., with issuing authority and type of identification presented. A combination of government-issued documents may be provided. For example, if a U.S. citizen has two States of residence and is trying to buy a handgun in State X, he may provide a driver’s license (showing his name, date of birth, and photograph) issued by State Y and another government-issued document (such as a tax document) from State X showing his residence address.

Any valid, government-issued document showing the transferee's residence address works for the feds. Well of course except the DMV brown card. So basically if it is in print and not handwritten, it is good to go. If it doesn't have an expiration date, then it is good to go. If it is expired, I wouldn't use it. However, many government documents do not expire.

[XDshooter]

Federal is actually easier than state.

http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf

Any valid, government-issued document showing the transferee's residence address works for the feds. Well of course except the DMV brown card. So basically if it is in print and not handwritten, it is good to go. If it doesn't have an expiration date, then it is good to go. If it is expired, I wouldn't use it. However, many government documents do not expire.

Government-Issued. I guess printed out online would not qualify?