Ammo Depot denies SKS transfer

[BrokerB]

Hello, I want to try and have a productive positive end to this, but I am not excited on how this has played so far. I understand PPT's are a pain in the A, but I do my best to buy something from the dealer while there or during other times. I have bought not more than a couple thousand of rounds through Ammo Depot, but Have always encouraged others to shop there. They are 10 minutes from my house. I have sold several SKS over that last 6 years or so, through other dealers with No issue. These were the sino/soviet -Albania sourced from 8+ year so so ago. There are no restrictions on selling these. I have done a PPT at ammo depot on an off roster handgun within the last year.

So show up in the morning, first guy at counter says " oh..we cant transfer this, they are easily made full auto". Holy sheepsheite...ok, get me someone who knows something about semi auto rifles older than the year 2000..wtf. The guy I see there the most..larger, round bald guy, nice dude in the past. Starts with a laundry list of why he cant transfer. Starting with "Clinton Gun ban"..wtf this is not a removable mag model? Then it goes to.."
we don't want the liability of when its used in a crime and they come back to us"..then.."our lawyers say not to". He has to change the reason after I call out the BS he is talking about. I cant force him to do it so I roll out. ..Oh.."new notice came out..ATF said no!"...what?! Someone needs to back away from the Hopps #9

My goal is to talk with someone in a more senior decision making position to get this straight. They have a dam ak variant rifle for sale on the wall and I point to it and ask him what the hell is the difference. I know the difference, but not enough to say no to a completly stock sino soviet sks built in the 1950s to some sort of fixed mag WASR pos with fin grip on his wall. ( I love my wasr though: ). He has no answer and just shakes his head

So..anyone here have good contact info to a higher up at Ammo Depot?

And..why in the hell would they say no to this SKS? I understand the SKS-M...but a sino soviet?!!

Dealer down the street...they said hell yes we will transfer that dirt stick!

[Quiet]

So..anyone here have good contact info to a higher up at Ammo Depot?

Nope.

And..why in the hell would they say no to this SKS? I understand the SKS-M...but a sino soviet?!!

IMO...

It is because of F.U.D.

It can also be because they do not know how to properly DROS it.


What keeps the FUD alive...
1.
Under CA laws, the Norinco Type 56 is a make/model banned assault weapon.
Because the majority of Chinese SKS rifles are marked "Norinco" and "Type 56 Carbine", some CA FFL dealers think its a make/model banned assault weapon due to not knowing or realizing that the "Norinco Type 56" markings only applies to AK type rifles and not SKS type rifles.
2.
Under CA laws, SKS with detachable magazines is a make/model banned assault weapon.
Because of this, some CA FFL dealers think all SKS type rifles are make/model banned as assault weapons due to not knowing the difference between a fixed magazine and a detachable magazine on SKS type rifles.

[tenpercentfirearms]

I do believe that putting SKS as the model will say it is an assault weapon. I usually put Type 45 or something like that. I will test it on the next DROS I run.

[BrokerB]

I believe "type 56" comes up as the named AK? I had this issue a few years back. I don't remember the exact fix.. Was it write it up as a Russian SKS? Im pretty sure that's what happened on my last transfer a few months back. I still find a very sour experience when they have a wasr hanging on the wall and tell em to take a hike with his sks.

[medicdubs96]

SKS's that are CA legal should have the model entered in the DES system as "FIXED SKS". Nothing wrong with the gun you wanted to transfer.

[Eddy's Shooting Sports]

I do believe that putting SKS as the model will say it is an assault weapon. I usually put Type 45 or something like that. I will test it on the next DROS I run.

THIS exactly. If you simply put "SKS" in the model field, DES will kick it back as an AW. You simply need to add literally anything to the name like "type" or "fixed". Doesn't matter. SKS alone gets flagged......

[BrokerB]

I appreciate the input, really disappointing this FFL was scared away. Im going to try and follow up with someone who can make decisions there. Us mere Citizens should be doing everything within the law to help one another maintain our rights. It was really distasteful to rattling off multiple different excuses.

[cz74]

SKS Fixed Magazine should be entered into DES and "Curio and Relic Long Gun" under Transaction Type. Take home the same day if you have COE+FFL03.

[BrokerB]

Nope, burned my bound book and let 03 expire. F the CAdoj and their treasonous crew. Im not self registering and paying any additional taxes to this state. Im selling a rifle.just to a " normal citizen ".

[Quiet]

Nope, burned my bound book and let 03 expire. F the CA doj and their treasonous crew. Im not self registering and paying any additional taxes to this state. Im selling a rifle. just to a " normal citizen ".

If the buyer has a valid C&R 03-FFL and valid COE, then it is CA legal to sell a C&R long gun (rifle or shotgun) to them without having to utilize a CA FFL dealer. [PC 27966]

As the seller, you just need to see that the buyer's C&R 03FFL and COE are not expired, before you exchange the C&R long gun for money.
^The seller is not legally obligated to report the transfer or pay any fees to CA DOJ.

The buyer will need to copy your info for their bound book and for their report to CA DOJ.
^The buyer is legally obligated to record the transaction in their bound book and report the transfer & pay fees to CA DOJ.

[BrokerB]

Quiet are you an AI bot? I ask this because you always have a voluminous amount of PC codes available for questions ( which is great) , but in no way did I state Im currently a 03 holder ( well expired) or that the buyer was an 03 holder.

Just a bit weird response you had above.

[Quiet]

Quiet are you an AI bot? I ask this because you always have a voluminous amount of PC codes available for questions ( which is great) , but in no way did I state Im currently a 03 holder ( well expired) or that the buyer was an 03 holder.

Just a bit weird response you had above.

Just threw that in there, so that you know you can legally your C&R long guns sell to a CA resident buyer with a valid C&R 03-FFL and COE without having to utilize a CA FFL dealer for the transfer. This way it will save you resources (time, gas, etc) and you won't encounter the issue you had with trying to transfer a SKS through a CA FFL dealer.