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  • modls7
    Member
    • Feb 2009
    • 414

    FFL Roster Exempt

    Maybe the PC has changed, but I thought there was language somewhere in CA PC that allowed "infrequent" or "occasional" off roster sales to FFL holder themselves. Was this ever a thing?
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    Quiet
    retired Goon
    • Mar 2007
    • 30241

    AFAIK...

    There was never an exemption to CA unsafe handgun laws that allowed a CA FFL dealer to transfer a non-exempt off-Roster handgun to themselves pursuant to CA laws.

    CA laws [PC 27130, 26960(a)(2),(c) and 28160] allows a CA FFL dealer to transfer CA legal firearms to themselves.
    ^But, there is no exemption that will allow that process for a CA legal non-exempt off-Roster handgun.
    ~For handguns, the process is limited to CA legal exempt handguns and on-Roster handguns.


    Before 1991, no DROS was required for a CA FFL dealer to transfer a firearm from their inventory to themselves.
    Before 2014, no DROS was required for a CA FFL dealer to transfer a long gun from their inventory to themselves.

    Before 2015, a CA FFL dealer could receive a CA legal off-Roster semi-auto pistol into their inventory and then modify it into an exempt single-shot pistol. After which, they could then transfer that exempt single-shot pistol to themselves. After it was transferred, they would then modify it back to its original CA legal off-Roster configuration.
    ^This stopped due to SSE being amended into SSE2, which became effective on 01-01-2015.




    Penal Code 27130
    Until January 1, 2014, Article 1 (commencing with Section 26700) and Article 2 (commencing with Section 26800) do not apply to the sale, delivery, or transfer of an unloaded firearm, other than a handgun, by a dealer to himself or herself.

    Penal Code 26960Penal Code 28160
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    • #3
      ugimports
      Vendor/Retailer
      • Jun 2009
      • 6250

      Originally posted by modls7
      Maybe the PC has changed, but I thought there was language somewhere in CA PC that allowed "infrequent" or "occasional" off roster sales to FFL holder themselves. Was this ever a thing?
      This was never a thing. Otherwise, I would have done it
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      • #4
        CalifEd
        Member
        • Mar 2019
        • 210

        I think the "infrequent" and "occasional" might refer to FFL/03 sales.
        The 03 is for collectors, we are the owners of our guns, so no transfer required but your Book would need to be updated for any sale.
        I seem to recollect these words coming up with "not running a business" but making the occasional/infrequent sales to use the funds to increase/enhance my collection.

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        • #5
          SVT-40
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Jan 2008
          • 12894

          Originally posted by CalifEd
          I think the "infrequent" and "occasional" might refer to FFL/03 sales.
          The 03 is for collectors, we are the owners of our guns, so no transfer required but your Book would need to be updated for any sale.
          I seem to recollect these words coming up with "not running a business" but making the occasional/infrequent sales to use the funds to increase/enhance my collection.
          Nope. The "infrequent and occasional sales" have nothing to do with 03 C&R FFL's. There are no Federal restrictions related to the number of "Acquisitions or Dispositions" a licensed collector may make.

          It's not just "sales" which are required to be entered into your book, It's all dispositions as well as all acquisitions.
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