PPT Question

[Eddy's Shooting Sports]

I've been wondering about this for awhile. Does Big 5 do PPT's. I would think they wouldn't, but they're supposed to. If they don't do them, how do they get away with it?

The other day I spent over an hour dealing with a double PPT, two sellers, one buyer, none of which were in my bound book system, meaning lots of data entry. What a PITA! I don't understand how it is legal for CA to require dealers to do PPT's.

Car dealers don't do transfers, the DMV does! Maybe the DMV should take over this task?

[Mstnpete]

I believe they do.
A friend goes there for PPT on rifles.

[jgraham7897]

Maybe the DMV should take over this task?

You take that back and you take that back now!

[Eddy's Shooting Sports]

I believe they do.
A friend goes there for PPT on rifles.

Any idea about handguns? I know they don't sell them...

[ke6guj]

state law requires them to do PPTs on long guns, but since they don't sell handguns, they are not required to do handgun PPTs.

[halifax]

Any idea about handguns? I know they don't sell them...

No, they don't PPT handguns and aren't required to because they don't sell them.

[ke6guj]

The other day I spent over an hour dealing with a double PPT, two sellers, one buyer, none of which were in my bound book system, meaning lots of data entry. What a PITA! I don't understand how it is legal for CA to require dealers to do PPT's.

you don't have to do them. just turn in your license. you knew (or should have) known that it was one of the terms of getting to sell firearms in CA.

But, you are looking at this the wrong way. for the $20 that they paid you, you get 4 forced oportunities to sell them something. You get 1 chance each to sell something to the sellers (who probably have cash in pocket from the private party sale) and 2 shots at the buyer. most industries would love to have people required to visit their establishment, and then give them money to boot.

[tenpercentfirearms]

PPT is all in the way you look at it. You can look at it as an opportunity to serve some customers needs, which might bring them back to spend real money. Or you can look at it as a PITA and treat the customers like a PITA and then they might not come back.

Personally, I treat a PPT like any other customer and try to sell them other things while I am at it.

[curvejunkie]

But, you are looking at this the wrong way. for the $20 that they paid you, you get 4 forced oportunities to sell them something. You get 1 chance each to sell something to the sellers (who probably have cash in pocket from the private party sale) and 2 shots at the buyer. most industries would love to have people required to visit their establishment, and then give them money to boot.

^ Excellent point....and much agreed with.

[Eddy's Shooting Sports]

state law requires them to do PPTs on long guns, but since they don't sell handguns, they are not required to do handgun PPTs.

Is there a reference to this on the DOJ site? I don't recall ever seeing it.

[Eddy's Shooting Sports]

PPT is all in the way you look at it. You can look at it as an opportunity to serve some customers needs, which might bring them back to spend real money. Or you can look at it as a PITA and treat the customers like a PITA and then they might not come back.

Personally, I treat a PPT like any other customer and try to sell them other things while I am at it.

This is the "ideal" way of looking at it, but real world experience isn't so rosy...

Just sayin'

[Mssr. Eleganté]

Is there a reference to this on the DOJ site? I don't recall ever seeing it.

I'm not sure which part you want the reference for, so I'll post both. Under the old CPC numbering system it is 12071(b)(5) that compels dealers to do PPTs.

12071(b)(5) The licensee shall agree to and shall act properly and promptly in processing firearms transactions pursuant to Section 12082.

and it is 12082(c) that says dealers who don't sell handguns aren't required to do PPTs of handguns.

12082(c) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a dealer who does not sell, transfer, or keep an inventory of handguns is not required to process private party transfers of handguns.

Sorry, but I don't have an easily searchable Penal Code reference with the new numbering system, so I had to list the old section numbers.

This is the "ideal" way of looking at it, but real world experience isn't so rosy...

Just sayin'

Think of how much more of a PITA it is for the people doing the PPT. They should be able to do the transfer without making any trips to the gun store, without filling out paperwork and without paying $35. They waste time and money just like you. It's part of what dealers and buyers have to put up with when they live in California. Most businesses have to pay for advertising to get potential customers into their stores. Because of the PPT requirements you get people in your store who have a history of buying guns and gun accessories.

[tenpercentfirearms]

This is the "ideal" way of looking at it, but real world experience isn't so rosy...

Just sayin'

Why isn't it rosy? Customers come in, they want to conduct business, you conduct business. I hate tire kickers more than I dislike PPTs. I am talking true tire kickers that you know aren't going to buy anything, but like to act like they are. It takes a time or two to figure it out or sometimes they will tell you straight up and it always cracks me up "I don't have any money to buy anything, I am just here looking around". Fine, I will go help someone else then. If you are a tire kicker, don't tell me about it because that means I am going to help other people here to spend money, like even a PPT guy.

[CSACANNONEER]

This is the "ideal" way of looking at it, but real world experience isn't so rosy...

Just sayin'

Thanks. I now know another shop that does not care about potential new customers or customer service. Lucky for me that I don't have to actually experience it first hand. I just won't do ANY bussiness with ANY shop with an attitude like your's. BTW, I grew up and still have a lot of family on the penisula so, I do do bussiness in the area. I do appreciate your honesty on the subject though.

[Moto]

Thanks. I now know another shop that does not care about potential new customers or customer service. Lucky for me that I don't have to actually experience it first hand. I just won't do ANY bussiness with ANY shop with an attitude like your's. BTW, I grew up and still have a lot of family on the penisula so, I do do bussiness in the area. I do appreciate your honesty on the subject though.

Yeah, it's amazing sometimes how a business actually posts online to complain about "pita" to help a client. If it's something that you " have to do" as part of your industry then it is what it is.

I'm glad to read about some of the other vendors here than view it as an "opportunity" to make additional sales.

For example, I recently did a PPT at a store 60 miles from me. They were so helpful and the process was so smooth that when I go to pick up, i will at least purchase ammo to show my gratitude.

To the OP, don't look at it negatively. Always look at the positives and when that buyer picks up his ppt, you might sell him other things he needs. It doesn't hurt to try , right?