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[jeep7081]

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[MrClamperSir]

Family member and I were talking about how some states have no registration on handguns nor long guns. Some states allow a PPT in the parking lot, with no FFL needed.

Here is the question that was brought up. In those states, on a new purchase, a FFL is required (not PPT). After the 5min back ground, and you drive home with your firearm. How long after is the record purged? Is there a law that says after "x" amount of time it's purged? Or, is it the state that saves the info? The feds run the background, purge it. The state doesn't save it as they don't require it?

Can someone explain, to clear this up? We were just curious on how this works for those states.

Thanks

Record of what? It's a background check not a temp registration.

Am I missing something here?

[jeep7081]

Record of what? It's a background check not a temp registration.

Am I missing something here?

Yes. Maybe they way I asked it. In those states, there is no registration on the firearm. So, nothing to run for ownership.

Ill say it another way.

This came up again last month with someone I was talking to. I don't know him. Just talking to him in a gun shop (he was a customer too). He said his shotgun was stolen awhile back. He called to make a police report. He was denied as long guns aren't registered and he didn't know any info on the shotgun either (serial number, etc). I asked him if he filled out a warranty card? He said he actually did. I told him to call the manufacture for the info, then make a police report.

So, Ill ask another way. Since there is no records keep of the transaction, this guy couldn't call the DOJ or anyone for the serial number. After he bought the gun. At what point, are the records purged of the transaction?

[MrClamperSir]

You are assuming there is a record to begin with.

It would help perhaps if you named "those" states you are referring to.

[jeep7081]

You are assuming there is a record to begin with.

It would help perhaps if you named "those" states you are referring to.

States don't matter. Pick one. Its just a conversation. No black helicopter here.

Ill wait to see if anyone else can give me a simple answer.

Thanks

[dad1]

This may help a little.

http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/handguns/36645-handgun-registration.html

[Mssr. Eleganté]

The gun shop where he bought the firearm keeps a record of the transaction for at least 20 years. This is a Federal requirement. The Form 4473 and bound book record of the transaction can be destroyed by the FFL after 20 years. The information in the bound book and on the Form 4473 includes the buyer's name and address along with the make, model, serial number and caliber of the firearm.

[MrClamperSir]

The answer could be simple if the question had clarity.

You want to know if and or at what point is "the record purged", right?

I'm asking you what “record”? From what I can decipher from your post, there is no record in the scenario you presented.
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[jeep7081]

The answer could be simple if the question had clarity.

You want to know if and or at what point is "the record purged", right?

I'm asking you what “record”? From what I can decipher from your post, there is no record in the scenario you presented.
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Too old for grammar lesson. Refer to signature.

You walk in, fill out papers. What happens to those papers? Does the FFL keep them? If the gun isn't registered, then its safe to assume the DOJ purges them after your background clears? Or the DOJ never keeps them to begin with. What about the background check. What happens to that paper work?

[Mssr. Eleganté]

Oh, wait. I think he is asking how long the Feds can keep a record of the fact that somebody had a NICS check run. I believe the Clinton administration had a policy of keeping the record of the NICS check for 90 days. Then during the G.W. Bush administration, AG Ashcroft proposed destroying the records after 24 hours because of his interpretation of the Brady law. I don't know if the 24 hour rule ever went into effect. Keep in mind that this is just a record that you tried to buy a firearm. The NICS system doesn't know what you actually bought.

But the paperwork you fill out at the FFL (the Form 4473) stays with the FFL for 20 years.

[jeep7081]

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[efillc]

Oh, wait. I think he is asking how long the Feds can keep a record of the fact that somebody had a NICS check run. I believe the Clinton administration had a policy of keeping the record of the NICS check for 90 days. Then during the G.W. Bush administration, AG Ashcroft proposed destroying the records after 24 hours because of his interpretation of the Brady law. I don't know if the 24 hour rule ever went into effect. Keep in mind that this is just a record that you tried to buy a firearm. The NICS system doesn't know what you actually bought.

But the paperwork you fill out at the FFL (the Form 4473) stays with the FFL for 20 years.

"Proceed" transactions are supposed to be purged after 24 hours. "Denials" are retained for quite a long time. At my last compliance inspection the IOI had a record of the denial (which occurred months prior) and she wanted to know what eventually happened to that gun, no doubt checking for a potential straw sale.

[dustoff31]

Or, is it the state that saves the info? The feds run the background, purge it. The state doesn't save it as they don't require it?

Thanks

FWIW, in most of the states you refer to, the state has absolutely no idea that you even bought a gun. The FFL deals directly with the FBI/NICS, and the result of that has been answered.

[paul0660]

The answer could be simple if the question had clarity.

A small, precise, correct, point.

[jeep7081]

FWIW, in most of the states you refer to, the state has absolutely no idea that you even bought a gun. The FFL deals directly with the FBI/NICS, and the result of that has been answered.

Thanks

A small, precise, correct, point.

This is how threads get locked. You don't know when to stop. Post #11 shows I got my answer.