Multi firearm transfer question

[aeromech]

Hey guys,
I'm hoping some of you might be able to shed some light on this for me. I have a friend at work named Mike. Mike's cousin got in trouble (felony) and they took his guns away. Mike says that the cop who took them is going to meet Mike and his cousin at a gun store to do the paperwork so that 18 of the guns can be transfered into Mike's name. I believe there are 6 handguns and the rest are long guns and all are California legal for Mike to own. So, what kind of fees will Mike be required to pay and will he be in the store for hours filling out paperwork? I just bought a pistol last month and it took me 45 minutes for just one gun. Also, Mike is retired military and I believe that exempts him from having to take the $25 handgun safety test, is that right?

1) Will Mike have to pay $35 x 18
2) Will Mike have to fill out 18 separate forms?
3) Can Mike take possession of the 6 pistols all at the same time?

TIA

[tenpercentfirearms]

Hey guys,
I'm hoping some of you might be able to shed some light on this for me. I have a friend at work named Mike. Mike's cousin got in trouble (felony) and they took his guns away. Mike says that the cop who took them is going to meet Mike and his cousin at a gun store to do the paperwork so that 18 of the guns can be transfered into Mike's name. I believe there are 6 handguns and the rest are long guns and all are California legal for Mike to own. So, what kind of fees will Mike be required to pay and will he be in the store for hours filling out paperwork? I just bought a pistol last month and it took me 45 minutes for just one gun. Also, Mike is retired military and I believe that exempts him from having to take the $25 handgun safety test, is that right?

1) Will Mike have to pay $35 x 18
2) Will Mike have to fill out 18 separate forms?
3) Can Mike take possession of the 6 pistols all at the same time?

TIA

All of the long guns can be DROSed on one 4473. So that is 12 guns for $35.

The handguns will have to go one at a time. So that is going to be $35 x 6. Actually there is a discount for multiple long guns, but I never pay attention to it and don't know how it works.

Yes he is going to be filling out paperwork for a while.

[Quiet]

1) No. Multiple long guns can be done on 1 DROS. Handguns need their own DROS. So, expect $35 x 7.

2) Yes. Must fill out eighteen ATF 4473 forms and fill out seven CA DROS sheets.

3) Yes. Because they are being transfered via PPT, which is exempt from the 1 in 30 handgun wait.

Also, Mike is retired military and I believe that exempts him from having to take the $25 handgun safety test, is that right?

HSC exemption...
X25 = Military - Honorably Retired

Honorably Retired (usually means 20+ years of service) is different from having a honorable discharge.


Penal Code 12807
(a) The following persons, properly identified, are exempted from the handgun safety certificate requirement in subdivision (b) of Section 12801:
(10) An active, or honorably retired member of the United States Armed Forces, the National Guard, the Air National Guard, the active reserve components of the United States, where individuals in those organizations are properly identified. For purposes of this section, proper identification includes the Armed Forces Identification Card, or other written documentation certifying that the individual is an active or honorably retired member.

[EOD Guy]

1) No. Multiple long guns can be done on 1 DROS. Handguns need their own DROS. So, expect $35 x 7.

2) Yes. Must fill out eighteen ATF 4473 forms and fill out seven CA DROS sheets.

3) Yes. Because they are being transfered via PPT, which is exempt from the 1 in 30 handgun wait.



HSC exemption...
X25 = Military - Honorably Retired

Honorably Retired (usually means 20+ years of service) is different from having a honorable discharge.


Penal Code 12807
(a) The following persons, properly identified, are exempted from the handgun safety certificate requirement in subdivision (b) of Section 12801:
(10) An active, or honorably retired member of the United States Armed Forces, the National Guard, the Air National Guard, the active reserve components of the United States, where individuals in those organizations are properly identified. For purposes of this section, proper identification includes the Armed Forces Identification Card, or other written documentation certifying that the individual is an active or honorably retired member.

I believe that only one 4473 would be required. There is no limit to the number of firearms that can be listed on a 4473.

One thing not mentioned was that the multiple handgun transfer will have to be reported to BATF and local law enforcement.

There is really no such thing as honorable retirement from the armed forces. You are either retired medically or for length of service. Honorably retired means that your last discharge was an honorable discharge.

[aeromech]

Thanks a bunch for the info guys.

[kemasa]

The PPT for the long guns would be $25 for the DROS and then $10 per firearm. Each handgun would need a DROS at $25 for the first and $21 for each additional, plus $10 for the FFL. The FFL can not charge more than $31 total for the second handgun if it is a PPT. The FFL is not required to collect the $10, but it is the maximum that can be charged if it is done as a PPT.

As said, it would be done all on one 4473 and the multiple handguns would have to be reported, as well as certain semi-auto rifles.

There is not much in terms of filling out the forms for the buyer, just the 4473 and answering the questions for one DROS, then signing all the DROS.

BTW, if Mike is prohibited for some reason, all the firearms would have to be turned over to the police since the seller, in this case, it prohibited.

[ke6guj]

from the CADOJ FAQ:

18.What fees can I charge for handling a Private Party Transfer (PPT)?
If the transaction is a PPT, you are restricted to charging no more than $25.00 in State fees described and $10.00 per firearm for conducting the PPT. For example:

a.For a PPT involving one or more handguns, the total allowable fees are $35.00 for the first handgun, and $31.00 for each subsequent handgun.
b.For PPTs involving one or more long guns, the State fees are limited to $25.00 for the whole transaction plus $10.00 dealer fee per firearm transferred.
(PC section 12082)