MIL ID Numbers

[191145ACP]

I just tried to do a Mil ID transfer for a guy and recieved an error from the DOJ that the number should only have 9 charters. The ID no on the card clearly has 10. My customer to me the Mil just changed their ID numbers away from their SSN to different numbers.
1)Any of you hear about this?
2) Any of you have an idea of who in the DOJ I should call, I could not get an answer with my normal number.

[halifax]

Yes it is a problem and has been brought up before at least once.

http://calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=7035744

Don't know what to tell you. Until they fix it, maybe you could try using his SSN to fool the defective software. Clearly, it is not the customer's fault.

Have you called the Verision help number?

DROS Service Center at 1-800-974-3767

[191145ACP]

Thanks, I have not talked to the DOJ yet, it is Sunday no way I was going to get anyone, but I did call. I talked to DROS help and all they could say was Yep, it is a known problem and there is nothing they can do until the DOJ directs them.

[halifax]

That post above is two weeks old. I wonder when the CA DOJ is going to get around to "directing" them. Sucks for military personnel and dealers.

[GoingQuiet]

I just tried to do a Mil ID transfer for a guy and recieved an error from the DOJ that the number should only have 9 charters. The ID no on the card clearly has 10. My customer to me the Mil just changed their ID numbers away from their SSN to different numbers.
1)Any of you hear about this?
2) Any of you have an idea of who in the DOJ I should call, I could not get an answer with my normal number.

US Military ID numbers are typically SSN's, are they not?

Also - as Military ID does NOT have a current address, it is my understanding that ATF does not allow their use.

[halifax]

US Military ID numbers are typically SSN's, are they not?

Apparently, not the case any more.

Also - as Military ID does NOT have a current address, it is my understanding that ATF does not allow their use.

ATF has also received questions from licensees as to how to comply with the identification document requirement in the case of purchasers who are in the military. Some active duty military personnel may not have driver's licenses from the State in which they are stationed. The only identification document carried by some active duty military personnel is a military identification card that bears the holder's name, date of birth, and photograph, but does not reflect the holder's residence address.

Section 921(b) of the GCA provides that a member of the Armed Forces on active duty is a resident of the State in which his permanent duty station is located. The purchaser's official orders showing that his or her permanent duty station is within the State where the licensed premises are located suffice to establish the purchaser's residence for GCA purposes. In combination with a military identification card, such orders will satisfy the Brady Act's requirement for an identification document, even though the purchaser may actually reside in a home that is not located on the military base.

http://www.atf.gov/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2001-5.html

[nelson1972]

US Military ID numbers are typically SSN's, are they not?

Also - as Military ID does NOT have a current address, it is my understanding that ATF does not allow their use.

I've been in for 17 years, never seen an address on a military ID card, what is the point of an address, we move around so much. And yes, As of this year DoD ID cards are being issued without SSNs.

[191145ACP]

I got through to the DOJ this afternoon. Bottom line I was told by the field agent to use his old Mil ID number, which is of course his SSN. He could not give me a straight answer when I asked if the DOJ was going to upgrade the system to work with the new DOD 10 digit number. He did say the other requirements remained in force, copy of the ID and a copy of the guys current orders.

[kemasa]

It is illegal to copy a Federal ID, which includes military IDs:

http://www.army.mil/article/28452/photocopying-military-cac-ids-a-violation-of-federal-law/

http://www.forthoodsentinel.com/story.php?id=2139

http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/18C33.txt

There are some exceptions, such as for medical coverage, but FFLs don't qualify for that. The CA DOJ should not be telling people to violate Federal law.

[BannedinBritain]

The CA DOJ should not be telling people to violate Federal law.

Yeah...but CA's needs are all that matter...lol

Copy the ID and their home State ID, enter their SSN into the DROS. Don't hold your breath for DOJ to alter the DROS to accept the new numbers.

[kemasa]

Don't copy their ID as it is illegal, just record the information. Keep a copy of the information which says that it is illegal to copy the ID in case any CA DOJ person claims that you should copy the military ID.

[BannedinBritain]

Title 18, US Code Part I, Chapter 33, Section 701

"Whoever manufactures, sells, or possesses any badge,
identification card, or other insignia, of the design prescribed by
the head of any department or agency of the United States for use
by any officer or employee thereof, or any colorable imitation
thereof, or photographs, prints, or in any other manner makes or
executes any engraving, photograph, print, or impression in the
likeness of any such badge, identification card, or other insignia,
or any colorable imitation thereof, except as authorized under
regulations made pursuant to law, shall be fined under this title
or imprisoned not more than six months, or both."

Greyscale (black and white) photocopies are within the law...as per the local FBI office.

[Eddy's Shooting Sports]

Another idea would be to simply enter 9999999999 into the MIL ID field and then put the "new" ten digit ID in the "
Comments field. I'm sure they are awae of this issue and as long as they gett hte info they ned to process the background check, they should be OK.

Have you tried calling DOJ and asking them???

[halifax]

Another idea would be to simply enter 9999999999 into the MIL ID field and then put the "new" ten digit ID in the "
Comments field. I'm sure they are awae of this issue and as long as they gett hte info they ned to process the background check, they should be OK.

Have you tried calling DOJ and asking them???

Post #8

I got through to the DOJ this afternoon. Bottom line I was told by the field agent to use his old Mil ID number, which is of course his SSN. He could not give me a straight answer when I asked if the DOJ was going to upgrade the system to work with the new DOD 10 digit number. He did say the other requirements remained in force, copy of the ID and a copy of the guys current orders.

[Eddy's Shooting Sports]

I'm surprised they didnt tell you to put it in the comments field. That's why it's there.