M1911 considered a C&R ??

[Kid Colt]

I have searched everywhere and can't find an answer, so if this has already been asked please forgive me......

Will a M1911 "WWI" be considered exempt from the roster as a C&R only for the means of having one shipped into CA?? I know it is not a "Cash and Carry" since its a pistol. But I want to have one shipped into CA from an online website. Will my local FFL be able to transfer it into my name as a C&R item? Or is it a NO GO since its not on the "Roster"

[kemasa]

If it is a C&R firearm, then it can be transferred, after being shipped to CA. C&R firearms are roster exempt, but you need to be able to prove that it is a C&R firearm.

[Kid Colt]

If it is a C&R firearm, then it can be transferred, after being shipped to CA. C&R firearms are roster exempt, but you need to be able to prove that it is a C&R firearm.

How can I prove the M1911 is a C&R???

[Mssr. Eleganté]

Do you know the manufacturer and the serial number? Is it a M1911 actually from WWI or is it a WWI commemorative M1911 that was manufactured more recently.

Any firearm that is at least 50 years old is C&R. You can find out the age of the firearm if you know the manufacturer and the serial number. Some manufacturers of M1911 pistols stopped making them over 50 years ago, so those will be C&R no matter what the serial number.

Newer firearms can also become C&R if ATF adds them to the C&R list because they are unique and collectible. There are some commemorative M1911 pistols that got added to the C&R list, but I'm not sure if the WWI commemoratives are on there.

[kemasa]

What he said :-).

The firearm can be specifically listed on the C&R list by model or specific serial number. Otherwise, you need to show that it was made over 50 years ago. Unless you can determine the month and day, it has to be made before 1961 (currently, but not including 1961). If you know the month, then as each month goes by, you can know when it's "birthday" month was and when it turns 50.

[stalin's ghost]

No concealable firearm can be shipped to California as a C&R, only long guns.
Any handgun, including ones that are C&R everywhere else, has to go through the whole FFL CA drill, shipped to an FFL and all paperwork and background check done, sad to say.
(From a CA C&R 03 license holder who wishes he could buy handguns.)

[Mssr. Eleganté]

No concealable firearm can be shipped to California as a C&R, only long guns.

Incorrect. In fact, the C&R status of many handguns is the only thing that allows them to be shipped into California. C&R handguns are exempt from California's "safe handgun roster". That's why the OP started this thread. He is trying to have a handgun shipped to his local dealer. He needs to know if it is a C&R handgun so that it will be exempt from the Roster.

Any handgun, including ones that are C&R everywhere else, has to go through the whole FFL CA drill, shipped to an FFL and all paperwork and background check done, sad to say.

Correct. But that's what the OP said he is trying to do. Handguns that are C&R everywhere else are also C&R in California. California only uses the Federal definition of C&R. There is no special California definition of C&R.

[INDABZ]

Can any put any rules an regs that C&R pistols can be shipped into CA an are exempt from all the rules?

[Librarian]

Can any put any rules an regs that C&R pistols can be shipped into CA an are exempt from all the rules?

Say what?

Perhaps you are asking if one can provide links to the laws in question?

No firearms in CA are exempt from 'all the rules'. Even 50 year old C&R long guns, eligible for non-FFL transfer, are covered by at least that rule.

Try the wiki -- http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/in..._in_California

[Mssr. Eleganté]

Can any put any rules an regs that C&R pistols can be shipped into CA an are exempt from all the rules?

If by "exempt from all the rules" you mean exempt from the Roster then the Penal Code sections you are looking for are 12125(b)(3) and 12132(g). If you are just trying to convince your local dealer that C&R handguns are exempt from the Roster then it might be easier to just show him CalDOJ's Roster web page...

http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/

Effective January 1, 2001, no handgun may be manufactured within California, imported into California for sale, lent, given, kept for sale, or offered/exposed for sale unless that handgun model has passed firing, safety, and drop tests and is certified for sale in California by the Department of Justice. Private party transfers, curio/relic handguns, certain single-action revolvers, and pawn/consignment returns are exempt from this requirement.