Looking for information regarding a long distance PPT

[Victor346]

I'm in the market for a certain gun and I came across one that's about 8 hours away from a member on here. I called some FFLs in my area to set up a transfer and the impression that I got was that I can't do a long distance PPT because both parties have to present to do paperwork. I called around some more and I got a completely different answer saying that it is possible.

My question is "Is it possible or not? and if it is possible, is it legal?" I'm getting conflicting information from different FFLs in my area.

Also, what is a typical charge for a PPT? I was quoted from $35 to $175 for this today. There was no misunderstanding on the phone, we were both clear that it was a long distance PPT.

If there's a thread with information on this, please point me in the right direction.

[Tavern Keeper]

long distance PPT

The round about answer is, yes you can, but.
If it's not face-to-face the CA does not reconize it as a PPT but as a dealer sale. This is why dealers can charge more then the sate fee of $35. I typicaly charge my normal transfer fee of $50 which includes the dros. I do ask for the seller's ID and a bill of sale so I can document that it was person-to-person and therfore non-taxable.

[kemasa]

If you are asking if you can do a PPT, but have the seller go to one FFL and the buyer go to another, the answer is no. Both parties need to go to the same FFL, but it is not a requirement that they both go at the same time. A PPT is limited by law to be $25 for the DROS and a max of $10 for the FFL.

There are some FFLs who might accept a signed DROS worksheet. It is questionable, at best, as to whether it is legal or not.I don't think that it is legal and would have to look at the CA PC to make sure, one way or another, but I would not do it in any case as I would not be able to see the ID of the seller, nor see them sign the DROS worksheet.

If the firearm is on the certified list, then it can be shipped and transferred, but based on your question I would suspect that it isn't on the list.

[Victor346]

I should have made that more clear. Yes it is on the list. It's just a Beretta PX4 Storm. Nothing out of the ordinary, seller stated that it was bought in CA.

[G-forceJunkie]

PPT it both seller and buyer standing together in the same store at the same time. The dealer is only doing the transfer. This is capped at $35. If the seller mails it to your FFL, they have to recieve it into their books. Then they sell it to you, just like if they were selling you a new gun. They are not doing just a transfer, but selling you a gun out of their inventory. For this they can charge any amount they want. $50-100 plus $25 dros is typical.

[kemasa]

PPT it both seller and buyer standing together in the same store at the same time.

Incorrect. The buyer and seller does not have to be at the FFL at the same time. They both have to go to the same FFL. The seller can sign the DROS worksheet, which is how consignments can be done as a PPT.

The dealer is only doing the transfer. This is capped at $35. If the seller mails it to your FFL, they have to recieve it into their books.

In either case the firearm needs to be logged into the bound book.

[CSACANNONEER]

A long distance PPT is 100% doable. The seller (so only one RT is involved) just needs to book a RT flight through Southwest and go to the buyer's FFL to do the paperwork.

[paul0660]

In either case the firearm needs to be logged into the bound book.

But, as a transfer between individuals, despite not being a PPT, it is not actually a "dealer sale", and sales tax is not collected...........right?

[kemasa]

But, as a transfer between individuals, despite not being a PPT, it is not actually a "dealer sale", and sales tax is not collected...........right?

If it is a private sale, an occasional sale and the firearm is not coming from a business (it can be shipped from a business, just not coming from a business), then there is no sales tax collected UNLESS the FFL finds the buyer and/or gets involved in the sales price of a firearm, which is also the same for a PPT. A consignment sale can be done as a PPT, but sales tax is collected.

[Victor346]

Ok, so I called a few more FFL's in my area. What I got is this:

I pay for the gun via PayPal or whatever money transfer method. Seller drops it off at his FFL to transfer to my FFL. I go to my local FFL and pay for transfer fees and DROS when gun arrives. Wait 10 days and I have another gun for my collection.

That's how I understood it. That way it's like I'm buying the gun out of the inventory of my local FFL and it's no longer a PPT.

Is that how it's done?

[paul0660]

Yes, but no sales tax, and if you use paypal and they find out it is a firearm, one or both accounts will be raided.

Read PP fine print.

Someone ought to start a firearm friendly alternative to PayPal. (Casts hook).

[kemasa]

The seller can ship it direct, assuming it is ok with your FFL (or in other words it is not illegal to ship direct). It can be cheaper to use a FFL for a handgun, depending on the FFL's fee, since a FFL can ship it USPS.

You are correct, it is not a PPT. You might need a letter from the seller so that the FFL does not collect sales tax and so that the FFL does not have a problem if there is a BOE audit.

As said, I would not use Paypal.

[EBR Works]

The key to using PayPal for firearms transactions is being very discreet. Just don't include any firearms related language in the transaction and you'll be fine. Just put "sporting goods" in the description field.
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[kemasa]

And if there is any problem with the transaction, which is why you might want to use paypal for protection, then ...

[paul0660]

The key to using PayPal for firearms transactions is being very discreet. Just don't include any firearms related language in the transaction and you'll be fine. Just put "sporting goods" in the description field.
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It is that easy, if I sell stuff to myself. If the bubba you are dealing with enters "Mauser parts" in the memo..............well...........nothing happened but it might have. This was 2 years ago and perhaps they had not flagged that word then.

Postal money order for guns and stuff, for me.