Question about PPT with an out of state FFL

[JPB]

So, I'm in the process of selling a rifle to a guy that is an out of state FFL holder (WY). He supplied me with his liscence (email .jpg attachment). The FFL number and associated company name is legit (FFL Ezcheck), but no persons name is listed with it on the ATF website. I've attempted to verify his identity (name associated with the FFL) by sending a message to the aformentioned FFL through the GunsAmerica.com FFL Finder service, to which he responded promptly.

So am I covered here? Can we just do a FTF without using a CA FFL and be done with it? Just trying to do the legaly right thing here. FYI, I looked at the stickies and didn't see anything like this situation. Thanks.

[CSACANNONEER]

If he is not listed by name on the FFL and you have any doubts, go with your gut. Also, what type of FFL is it? If it is an 03FFL and you are not dealing with a C&R long gun, it would not be legal to do a FTF in California. Also, I would not do bussiness with a FFL (whom is not known to me) in a parking lot or dark alley.

[JPB]

His name is signed and printed (hand written) on the license. It's an type -01 OTDD license.

[kemasa]

First off, it is not a PPT, it is a private sale. You are selling it to a business or shipping it to a business, so the person's name might not be on the FFL, so that is normal. If the business is a corporation, there is typically no personal names, other than the signature, printed name and title of who signed the FFL.

So, I don't personally see anything which is an issue.

[JPB]

First off, it is not a PPT, it is a private sale. You are selling it to a business or shipping it to a business, so the person's name might not be on the FFL, so that is normal. If the business is a corporation, there is typically no personal names, other than the signature, printed name and title of who signed the FFL.

So, I don't personally see anything which is an issue.

Thanks, appreciate the input. It is an LLC. Just seems like anyone could photochop the license and insert their name and claim to be an FFL. I understand that I'm selling it to a buisness, but I'm handing the rifle over to a person that is claiming to be that buisness. That is the ambiguous relationship that needed to be verified. How do I know that this guy is really the man behind the license when only the LLC name is listed?

[halifax]

Goggle the name of the shop and hope to find a phone number. Call and ask if they know the guy.

[JPB]

Heck with it, I'm just gonna ship it to him through an FFL. Better safe than sorry.

[kemasa]

If the address on the FFL matches the address on the BATF ezcheck web page, then you are sending it to the correct location, unless a bad person took over the whole place. There might be places that you can look up the contact person for the LLC, usual the state has such records.

Make sure that you get your money in advance. Non-USPS money orders can be stopped, so get a USPS money order or wait until it clears.

[efillc]

How do I know that this guy is really the man behind the license when only the LLC name is listed?

If you look up the registration info for the LLC on the Wyoming Secretary of State web site at https://wyobiz.wy.gov/Business/FilingSearch.aspx you will probably find that the guy is listed as one of the managing members, and the address for the LLC will match the one on the FFL copy.

Most FFL's get ourselves organized as LLC's, as it's fairly easy and inexpensive to do compared to a Corp.

[JPB]

If you look up the registration info for the LLC on the Wyoming Secretary of State web site at https://wyobiz.wy.gov/Business/FilingSearch.aspx you will probably find that the guy is listed as one of the managing members, and the address for the LLC will match the one on the FFL copy.

Most FFL's get ourselves organized as LLC's, as it's fairly easy and inexpensive to do compared to a Corp.

You're right. I did actually look at that site and find the guy's name and company name listed. I guess I'm just being so nervous about handing over a Sig 556 to a guy in a parking lot that I 'm just going to go through an ffl at a $40 loss. I just want to be irrefutably in the right here. Forgive me, but hear say on a web site doesn't seem like it would stand up too well in court.

[rbetts]

CYA and you are good to go. FFL sounds legit and you have done your due diligence. If payment has already taken place, and you are satisfied, ship it!!!