Clarification on 30 days between handgun purchases.

[titus75]

If I buy a used handgun off the marketplace and it's shipped directly to my ffl by the seller how does that work with the 30 day rule? My understanding is that ppt transfers that are not drose'd face to face count as a purchase that then requires a 30 day wait. Ftf ppt transfers or consignment purchases for used are exempt from this. Is this correct and is this part of the law or is it at the ffl's discretion on whether or not a used handgun purchase triggers the 30 day wait. Thanks for your help.

[ke6guj]

I try to think of it this way, the 30-day rule applies to all handgun purchases, unless there is an exemption. There is an exemption for PPT transfers. CA defines a PPT transfer as one that occurs between 2 CA residents, with both of them having appeared in person in front of the FFL doing the PPT. If it is shipped in, it is not a PPT and not exempt from the 30-day rule. If the seller does not have CA ID, it is not a PPT and not exempt. Cosignment sales are often processed as a PPT, and would be exempt.

[EBR Works]

The purchase shipped to an FFL is not a PPT and therefore the 30 day rule applies. It sounds like you already understand.

[titus75]

I think I finally got it thru my thick head, I just wasn't sure if the ffl had any leeway on how a ppt transaction was dros'ed with regard to both parties being present or not. So I'm off the market for thirty days unless its ftf or consignment :-(

[tenpercentfirearms]

I think I finally got it thru my thick head, I just wasn't sure if the ffl had any leeway on how a ppt transaction was dros'ed with regard to both parties being present or not. So I'm off the market for thirty days unless its ftf or consignment :-(

Unless the DROS form you sign has a signature box for the seller (and the dealer who isn't the seller), you are not exempt. Your 1 in 30 starts at the date and time printed on the DROS.

[titus75]

That 30 days starts the day I pick up my purchase after completing the ten day wait right?

[BannedinBritain]

That 30 days starts the day I pick up my purchase after completing the ten day wait right?

No...as tenpercent said, your 30 day clock starts the exact moment your DROS is submitted...the date and time in the upper left part of your DROS is when the clock starts.

[remington]

As a FFL dealer, if I want to transfer a few handguns from inventory to myself, according the the DOJ, I am not exempt and can only do one semi auto every 30 days? sound right?

[tenpercentfirearms]

As a FFL dealer, if I want to transfer a few handguns from inventory to myself, according the the DOJ, I am not exempt and can only do one semi auto every 30 days? sound right?

No. You are 1 in 30 day exempt.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=447318&highlight=handguns

Your handguns must still be on the roster however.

[titus75]

Wow, unfriggingbelievable, I just bought new handgun this past June and was told to my face by the ffl that the 30 day wait started "the day you pick up the gun from us and it's 30 days to the exact minute on the clock"

[tenpercentfirearms]

Wow, unfriggingbelievable, I just bought new handgun this past June and was told to my face by the ffl that the 30 day wait started "the day you pick up the gun from us and it's 30 days to the exact minute on the clock"

Your FFL luck has been really bad lately!

[kemasa]

Wow, unfriggingbelievable, I just bought new handgun this past June and was told to my face by the ffl that the 30 day wait started "the day you pick up the gun from us and it's 30 days to the exact minute on the clock"

That is funny!!! Since it applies to other FFLs as well, and since the date and time of delivery is not reported, how do other FFLs know what the date and time of delivery was? Do they look up the paperwork to determine the time since it would be listed on the DROS system after 30 days.

They are quite unclear on the details and the CA DOJ would not reject the second sale unless it is within 30 days of the initial sale when the DROS was submitted. I guess they have not thought about it much.

You might want to either suggest that they call the DOJ or find another FFL or both.

[titus75]

Oh no no no, this guy won't listen to me, trust me, he KNOWS the law forwards and back, friggin blockhead....

[Santa Cruz Armory]

Oh no no no, this guy won't listen to me, trust me, he KNOWS the law forwards and back, friggin blockhead....

What town is your FFL in?

[titus75]

Yeah Ten, it sure has, this is same individual who wouldn't receive a handgun I was buying unless it was shipped from ffl. It's my fault for not doing a little research and questioning things a little more but I'm dealing with the "Moses" of Ca gun law.