Large Cap Mag Permit

[EBR Works]

So today I finally received my Large Cap Mag permit after 5 weeks. It turns out that they had rejected the first app because I did not provide a good cause statement and returned it to me. I never received the rejection letter and it sat in limbo until I called. Nowhere on the application or website did I see any requirement for a good cause statement. How did I miss this? Anyway, the woman I talked to was very sweet and said that I could fax a new app and GC statement to her and she would mail it the same day, which she did.

Another question; all of my other Cali DOJ licensing stuff is in my corporation's name but the LCM permit was issued in my personal name with no mention of my corp. Anyone else have this happen? Seems kind of odd but in a way preferable since if questioned by LE I would have to prove I was a corporate officer if the permit was in the corp name.

On another note, I just sent in my tax payment for a class 2 SOT. Anyone know how long it takes ATF to return the paperwork?

That is all. Thanks!

[kajvid]

Yep. The FFL has the business name and the LCM permit has "Gladys Xxxxxxx" and no mention of the biz name. It is not right in front of me but I *think* it has our CFD number on it. But, I might have written that on a copy and my brain is not remembering correctly.

Another question; all of my other Cali DOJ licensing stuff is in my corporation's name but the LCM permit was issued in my personal name with no mention of my corp. Anyone else have this happen?

[halifax]

CFD number is on it.

[EBR Works]

Thanks guys.

[tenpercentfirearms]

Another question; all of my other Cali DOJ licensing stuff is in my corporation's name but the LCM permit was issued in my personal name with no mention of my corp. Anyone else have this happen? Seems kind of odd but in a way preferable since if questioned by LE I would have to prove I was a corporate officer if the permit was in the corp name.

That is why I have zero problems running around the state with large capacity magazines!

[kemasa]

If you look at the law, CA PC 12020(b)(21), you will see that the business, licensed under CA PC 12071, does not need the permit :-).

[EBR Works]

If you look at the law, CA PC 12020(b)(21), you will see that the business, licensed under CA PC 12071, does not need the permit :-).

So, if the FFL was in an individual's name rather than a LLC/Corp, then that individual is exempt from the Large Cap regulation?

[kemasa]

It depends on what you mean. The law seems pretty clear to me, but according to the CA DOJ it is not how it is viewed/enforced. A person licensed under 12071 is exempt, but then again so is someone who buys from a person licensed under 12071 (but the FFL might get free room and board for a bit).

I am not sure that they would consider a corporation to be a person, nor if it was a corporation that the person was actually licensed, which would make the permit required. As I said, how it is viewed/enforced is quite different than what the law says. Remember, possession is not illegal.

12020. (a) Any person in this state who does any of the following
is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year
or in the state prison:
...
(2) Commencing January 1, 2000, manufactures or causes to be
manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or
exposes for sale, or who gives, or lends, any large-capacity
magazine.
...
(b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to any of the following:
...
(21) The sale or purchase of any large-capacity magazine to or by
a person licensed pursuant to Section 12071.

[EBR Works]

I'm just trying to understand the distinction between an individual who is licensed as an FFL as compared to a corporate entity that is licensed with the proprietor being an officer of the corporation like in my situation. I guess it would be prudent to have the LCM permit either way. I think I'll go order some Saiga 12 20 rd drums now....

[kemasa]

Well, my guess is that it does not matter much since it is the importation/purchase that is an issue. An individual licensed under 12071 is specifically mentioned in the Penal Code. You would need to ask the DOJ how that relates to a corporation, but who knows what answer you might get.

[EBR Works]

I'll do that....in my spare time.