DROS thumbprint procedure

[kemasa]

The CA DOJ claims to want to follow the law, so that is what should be done and not try to make some happy.

I am not aware of any requirements to protect all the papers in case the shop burns down. It is a nice idea for your own use, but I don't think that copies would be acceptable for either the CA DOJ or BATF.

If the stickers can be moved, I would not use them. I think that part of the purpose of the thumbprint is to prove who actually filled out and signed the paperwork and the ability to move it would negate that.

[CS Sports]

My auditor told me that technically it was supposed to be on the back, but that he thought it was a better idea to put it on the front (in case you had to submit a copy to DOJ). I just have my customers put it on the front and the back.

[kemasa]

Yeah, technically, aka the law says to put it on the back, but they want you to violate the law to make it easier for the DOJ if you have to make a copy instead of the DOJ getting the law changed. Now, if a FFL was to do what was a better idea, the DOJ might take exception since they don't like. Even when it is legal, the DOJ does not like FFLs doing what they don't find acceptable.

[mcgill]

I prefer to first follow the CA DOJ and BATFE related written laws on any issue. As 10% suggests, first CYA by following the printed law. I won't do anything my local rep prefers when it contradicts written law; even if he puts it in writing. If my rep wanted it on the front, I might ask the customer to make two marks (front and back). When it comes down to losing my license or worse, I won't risk trying to tell a judge that I deviated from the written law because I was advised by my rep to do so. I suspect a DOJ rep might really just be trying to be helpful when suggesting the front is easier. I agree the front is easier; perhaps that's why the FAQ is written for the back

[INDABZ]

Well when you use different printers sometimes there is room on the front for a thumb sometimes not...goes on the back.....

PC does say back but haven't seen anyone jacked by an auditor for it but there is always tommorrow.....

[tenpercentfirearms]

Well when you use different printers sometimes there is room on the front for a thumb sometimes not...goes on the back.....

This shouldn't have anything to do with your printer (I could be wrong). Set your text size in Internet Explorer to "smallest". Even my PPTs print out on one page.

Scan all of your documents into the computer for back up? That is plain insane. I wouldn't lose any sleep if my building burns to the ground and all of that trace data goes away. In fact, if the Cubans and Soviets ever invade, that is the first thing I am going to do.

[ke6guj]

[FortCourageArmory]

This is the text of the actual PC in question:

2)Effective January 1, 2003, the purchaser shall provide his or her right thumbprint on the register in a manner prescribed by the department. No exception to this requirement shall be permitted except by regulations adopted by the department.

It's repeated word for word a few more times in the PC. The only place I can find the requirement for the print to be on the back of the DROS form is in the FAQ. Are FAQs considered regulations? Unless someone can quote the actual DOJ regs and prove this is what they say, I think we're OK doing it either way.

[mcgill]

You're right. I mistyped when I stated the way the PC is written. The PC is written exactly as you typed. It is only the FAQ that mentions the location.


For me, I will continue to go with:

the FAQ = “in a manner prescribed by the department”; where

the CA DOJ = "the department”, and

on the back of the DROS = “in a manner”.