Bushmaster Carbon AR15 Pistols legal?

[MGM Tactical]

I recently received an email from a distributor stating they had a few of these ready to ship to CA in a single shot setup with a bullet button; however, Penal Code Section 12276 bans "Bushmaster Pistols" by name. The distributor then cited the Kasler list indicating the pistol was not an "XM15" receiver, thus making the pistol legal. Is this pistol considered off list or is it banned by name? Anybody doing these?

Thanks!

MGM Tactical

[jtmkinsd]

I recently received an email from a distributor stating they had a few of these ready to ship to CA in a single shot setup with a bullet button; however, Penal Code Section 12276 bans "Bushmaster Pistols" by name. The distributor then cited the Kasler list indicating the pistol was not an "XM15" receiver, thus making the pistol legal. Is this pistol considered off list or is it banned by name? Anybody doing these?

Thanks!

MGM Tactical

The original "Bushmaster Pistol" was made by Bushmaster for the military I believe. Since the advent of the off-list-lowers modified to be single shot exempt pistols, the "Carbon-15" lower can be sold in CA as a single-shot-exempt "AR-type" pistol.

It's a stupid listing by stupid people "Bushmaster Pistol"...if taken literally, no handgun Bushmaster ever made could be sold in CA.

So, short answer...it's CA legal.

[hnoppenberger]

with list in hand, i see NO 'carbon 15' anywhere.

[ke6guj]

I recently received an email from a distributor stating they had a few of these ready to ship to CA in a single shot setup with a bullet button; however, Penal Code Section 12276 bans "Bushmaster Pistols" by name. The distributor then cited the Kasler list indicating the pistol was not an "XM15" receiver, thus making the pistol legal. Is this pistol considered off list or is it banned by name? Anybody doing these?

Thanks!

MGM Tactical

if you look at this PDF, http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/awguide.pdf , you can see what the "Bushmaster Pistol" actually looks like, on page 40. It is not a AR-15 pattern pistol.

with list in hand, i see NO 'carbon 15' anywhere.

there are Carbon-15 rifles and pistols listed, but they are those from Professional Ordnance, Inc, not Bushmaster. (Bushmaster bought PO and took over the Carbon-15 branding)

here is the official list, http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/chapter40.pdf , and the pertinant listings are covered on both the rifle and handgun AW flowcharts.

[MGM Tactical]

Thanks everyone!

[franklinarmory]

Hey fellas. Last I checked, one would need to convert the pistol to a single shot, and that has to be done by an 07/FFL. In addition, that FFL would have to get a mark variance or put a secondary stamp on the firearm.

[ke6guj]

Hey fellas. Last I checked, one would need to convert the pistol to a single shot, and that has to be done by an 07/FFL. In addition, that FFL would have to get a mark variance or put a secondary stamp on the firearm.

there seems to be some confusion on whether or not an 07 is required or not, since the parts being swapped are "drop-in" parts, a swapped out magazine release and a zero-round mag instead of a regular magazine. In addtion, we hear of 07FFLs claiming that it there is no need to mark their name on it.

If swapping out a mag-lock and mag on a pistol requires an 07, does that mean that swapping out a mag-lock and mag (from 11+ rounds to <11-rounds) on a rifle then require an 07? Its the same amount of work being done.

It would be nice to get this in writing from ATF. The various letters and FAQs from ATF don't delve into these questions with enough info.

[franklinarmory]

Given that this thread is in the FFL forum, it would mean that the participants are likely FFLs. Do you want to risk your FFL on something that may or may not be legal? Also, some 07s may say that they don't need to add a mark, but did they say they got a Mark Variance or not?

I still think that it IS possible for an 01 FFL to sell an off-list roster to a customer if they immediately perform customer requested modifications prior to DROS but post sale. That way the 01 is keeping the ATF happy by operating under the Gunsmith provisions and the DOJ will be happy because the firearm won't transfer until it meets the requirement of an exempt pistol. However, doing the modifications in advance of the sale without the right license and paperwork is a risk.

[MGM Tactical]

This purchase would be for LEO, which means the single shot issue is mute correct?

[jtmkinsd]

This purchase would be for LEO, which means the single shot issue is mute correct?

Single shot would not be necessary, but it would still need a mag-lock or it is an assault weapon.

[franklinarmory]

....but it would still need a mag-lock or it is an assault weapon.

If it is like the Carbon-15 rifle, then it has a sealed mag well, and does not fall under the ban.