FFL to FFL pistol?

[moab]

I want to sell a pistol from my personal collection to someone else in CA that does not have an FFL. Can I just send the pistol with copy of my FFL to his FFL dealer? And have them handle all the paperwork? I assume I have to enter it into my book (from my personal collection) and then show it sold?

Trying to avoid doing the DROS myself. As I've only dealt in rifles. And don't know the process at all.

[jtmkinsd]

I want to sell a pistol from my personal collection to someone else in CA that does not have an FFL. Can I just send the pistol with copy of my FFL to his FFL dealer? And have them handle all the paperwork? I assume I have to enter it into my book (from my personal collection) and then show it sold?
Trying to avoid doing the DROS myself. As I've only dealt in rifles. And don't know the process at all.

From ATF website:

A licensee may sell a firearm from
his or her personal collection, subject
only to the restrictions on firearm
sales by unlicensed persons, provided
the firearm was entered in the
licensee’s bound book and then transferred
to the licensee’s private collection
at least 1 year prior to the sale.
When the personal firearm is sold, the
sale must be recorded in a "bound
book" for dispositions of personal
firearms, but no ATF Form 4473 is
required.

[tenpercentfirearms]

You as an individual can send them the pistol without using your FFL.

The main point of the not selling guns in a year thing is for Free America where people can still sell guns face to face without an FFL. This is to prevent you as a dealer from just saying the gun was in your personal collection so you didn't have to fill out a 4473. If a 4473 is filled out, then the one year rule doesn't apply. So I think if you sign the gun into your book and ship it to the other FFL, you are fine because you are not doing a face to face to avoid a 4473. You are sending it to another FFL that will have to do a 4473 to get it to the end user.

Me personally, I would tell you to just send it to me as a regular citizen and I would DROS it to the customer (assuming it is on the CA approved list of handguns for sale). I don't have to get a CFLC if it comes from you and not the company.

[moab]

You as an individual can send them the pistol without using your FFL.

The main point of the not selling guns in a year thing is for Free America where people can still sell guns face to face without an FFL. This is to prevent you as a dealer from just saying the gun was in your personal collection so you didn't have to fill out a 4473. If a 4473 is filled out, then the one year rule doesn't apply. So I think if you sign the gun into your book and ship it to the other FFL, you are fine because you are not doing a face to face to avoid a 4473. You are sending it to another FFL that will have to do a 4473 to get it to the end user.

Me personally, I would tell you to just send it to me as a regular citizen and I would DROS it to the customer (assuming it is on the CA approved list of handguns for sale). I don't have to get a CFLC if it comes from you and not the company.

"(assuming it is on the CA approved list of handguns for sale)"

Is a Colt .45 on the approved list of handguns for sale? I think if I sell this gun to this local guy. I will just make him come up with his own local FFL. So I can simply send it to his FFL for DROS'ing. With a copy of my FFL. That seems the easiest to me.

Otherwise doesn't the original owner have to show up (in a private citizen sale) to sign paperwork?

[jtmkinsd]

"(assuming it is on the CA approved list of handguns for sale)"

Is a Colt .45 on the approved list of handguns for sale? I think if I sell this gun to this local guy. I will just make him come up with his own local FFL. So I can simply send it to his FFL for DROS'ing. With a copy of my FFL. That seems the easiest to me.

Otherwise doesn't the original owner have to show up (in a private citizen sale) to sign paperwork?

The only Colt that isn't a .45 on the list is the 6" Python. The list is more geared toward model numbers. Here are the CA approved Colts (minus the Python revolver)

07000D Defender Ltwgt Ser 90 / Alloy, Stainless Steel Pistol 3" .45 ACP 3/11/2011

04012XSE Combat Commander / Stainless Steel (brushed) Pistol 4.25" .45 ACP 10/30/2011

04091U / Stainless Steel Pistol 4.25" .45 ACP 11/14/2011

04691 / Carbon Steel Pistol 4.25" .45 ACP 11/14/2011

01070XSE / Stainless Steel Pistol 5" .45 ACP 5/9/2011

01091 M1991A1 Ser 80 / Stainless Steel (matte) Pistol 5" .45 ACP 3/11/2011

01980XSE / Carbon Steel (blue) Pistol 5" .45 ACP 2/9/2011

01991 M1991A1 Ser 80 (Matte Blue) / Steel (matte blue) Pistol 5" .45 ACP 3/11/2011

01991AR Custom M1991A1 (America Remembers) / Blue Steel Pistol 5" .45 ACP 11/8/2011

01991Z Custom M1991 A1 (America Remembers) / Steel Pistol 5" .45 ACP 9/8/2011

01991Z Custom M1991A1 (NRA 2011 Gun of the Year) / Steel Pistol 5" .45 ACP 6/16/2011

And yes...if your gun is not listed here, to sell it in CA, it must be done at an FFL with buyer and seller present (unless it's a C&R).