FFLing

[selfishselfless]

I am interested in FFLing in either the Bay Area or Los Angeles, but I am looking to attend exclusively to out of state buyers and/or law-enforcement. While I will need to possess both a high-capacity magazine permit as well as an assault-weapons permit in order to do so, would it be possible to attend to this specific audience and not DROS/transfer firearms to individuals in California?

Thanx.
SAMMY!

[jtmkinsd]

I am interested in FFLing in either the Bay Area or Los Angeles, but I am looking to attend exclusively to out of state buyers and/or law-enforcement. While I will need to possess both a high-capacity magazine permit as well as an assault-weapons permit in order to do so, would it be possible to attend to this specific audience and not DROS/transfer firearms to individuals in California?

Thanx.
SAMMY!

While you could do this, you may find the cost of maintaing the necessary licenses and permits prohibitive for serving such a small niche. As an FFL, you would be required to be available for PPT's (private party transfers) as well, so at some level you would have to cater to the "individual". You don't necessarily need an AW permit to cater to LE (many of my customers are LE, and they like off list handguns ).

[PolishMike]

You still need a CFD# which is the most prohibitive part. You still have to DROS firearms to law enforcement.

[selfishselfless]

Thank you everyone. I have no problems DROSing/transfering firearms to law-enforcement. It is more that I do not want to be restricted to selling California-legal firearms out of state - hence the assault-weapons and high-capacity magazine permits.

Is there a good program/book/kit for new FFL's?

Thanx.
SAMMY!

[ripro75]

RK Enterprises
2616 Las Positas Rd
Santa Barbara, CA 93105
805-687-1416

https://www.rkffl.com

[tenpercentfirearms]

The costs of obtaining an AW permit are quite high and therefore if you think you are going to compete with the out of state market that is currently flooded with AWs without the added cost of doing business in CA, you are going to be real busy for very little money.

If you didn't have an AW permit, you could certainly just do non-AW business in CA with mainly LEOs. Pretty much if you don't have regular business hours it would be hard to get a person to come in for a PPT. Also if you just called anyone that came in for a PPT a douche bag and told them to blow you, they might not come back and that would further limit your PPT business.

[kemasa]

Excluding AWs, you can buy and sell firearms which are not on the certified list without any additional permits other than high capacity magazines.. The high capacity magazine permit is clearly needed since most out of CA would not want to be limited to 10 round magazines.

[selfishselfless]

So essentially if you stick to OLL receivers and/or components without creating an "assault weapon," it would not be necessary to have said permit. It appears the cost of an assault weapons permit is $321(annually?) plus a secondary cost based on the number of assault weapons you have in your possession. Hypothetically, could an FFL sell an assembled OLL without a bullet-button and ship the upper-receiver separately to prevent the constitution of an assault-weapon?

Thanx.
SAMMY!

[ripro75]

So essentially if you stick to OLL receivers and/or components without creating an "assault weapon," it would not be necessary to have said permit. It appears the cost of an assault weapons permit is $321(annually?) plus a secondary cost based on the number of assault weapons you have in your possession. Hypothetically, could an FFL sell an assembled OLL without a bullet-button and ship the upper-receiver separately to prevent the constitution of an assault-weapon?

Thanx.
SAMMY!

If you sell OLL's, you don't need the permit. You can sell completed OLL and still don't need the permit. You can't build a complete OLL without being an 07FFL and deal with the tax etc. Selling an OLL complete without the BB is fine, it's non a complete rifle. Others here, more experienced than I, can elaborate more.

[selfishselfless]

Thank you! That explains the manufacturing standpoint! Without an assault-weapons permit, it sounds like the issue is primarily the prevention of constructive possession. Earlier today I was told that ANY assembled OLL without a bullet-button [and a pistol-grip] is an assault-weapon by itself. So if I were to sell out of state, I would need to either sell the assembled OLL with a bullet-button and/or separately provide the out-of-state customer with a magazine release?

Thanx.
SAMMY!

[kemasa]

How the laws are enforced vs. what the laws are can be very different.

If you had an upper which was bolt action or pump action, it would be perfectly legal to not have a bullet button on the lower, but don't expect that to stop you from getting arrested.

A lower is not semi-auto and does not have the features to make it an a-salt weapon.