safe list differences question

[mag360]

if a gun is on the safe list listed as "sig sauer 1911 45 acp stainess with rail" and the doj has said changes to finish and grips are ok, can I get the 1911 I want that differs in build by being nitron finish and different grips?

[jtmkinsd]

Yes, even though the DOJ lists guns with different finishes (blued, stainless, two-tone) yours is still a sig stainless railed 1911 .45 ACP, no matter what finish you may want on it.

[JeffM]

is there specific model #'s on the doj site or just descriptions. If this doesn't work can a relative who is leo buy and then gift this to their son/daughter?

They list specific models. They can be found here:

http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/

[mag360]

1911 Railed (Stainless) / Stainless Steel Pistol 5" .45 ACP 6/23/2011
1911 Target (Blued) / Stainless Steel Pistol 5" .45 ACP 6/13/2011

don't see any model #'s on the doj site.

[jtmkinsd]

1911 Railed (Stainless) / Stainless Steel Pistol 5" .45 ACP 6/23/2011
1911 Target (Blued) / Stainless Steel Pistol 5" .45 ACP 6/13/2011

don't see any model #'s on the doj site.

1911 is the actual model number in this case.

[mag360]

ahh no ****, so if the gun was 1911 hyphen "something" then that would make it off the list?

[AIMSMALL]

ahh no ****, so if the gun was 1911 hyphen "something" then that would make it off the list?

Yes, they have to choose the model from a drop down menu and the EXACT model must be selected. So if it said 1911-3456 and only the "1911" part was a choice then the 1911-3456 is NOT on the list. SUCKS big time huh.

[mag360]

sig should just leave them all the same model # and just change the name!

[AIMSMALL]

sig should just leave them all the same model # and just change the name!

Any difference in the gun requires a different model number.

[jtmkinsd]

ahh no ****, so if the gun was 1911 hyphen "something" then that would make it off the list?

If you are talking about Sigs model numbers then not necessarily. Ruger is a good example. On the side of the box for a Ruger Mark III it says the model number is, something like 123456, but DOJ has it registered as KMK-10 (10 inch barrel .22 LR)

I have nitron finished 1911 sigs in the shop right now in the 10 day hold tank

[kemasa]

The list does not have all of the correct information, which creates a problem since it has to be the exact model. Often, the model number is NOT listed, but that is what really counts. There are FFLs who will claims that a firearm is CA legal, such as the Pink Mosquito, but that is not the case.

The DOJ has NOT said that differences in the finish and grip are ok. What the law says that the manufacturer can send a letter asking for a model to be added due to those differences and they don't have to submit the firearm for testing, but the DOJ can ask to see the specific firearm. You have to read the WHOLE thing.

12131.5. (a) A firearm shall be deemed to satisfy the requirements
of subdivision (a) of Section 12131 if another firearm made by the
same manufacturer is already listed and the unlisted firearm differs
from the listed firearm only in one or more of the following
features:
(1) Finish, including, but not limited to, bluing, chrome-plating,
oiling, or engraving.
(2) The material from which the grips are made.
(3) The shape or texture of the grips, so long as the difference
in grip shape or texture does not in any way alter the dimensions,
material, linkage, or functioning of the magazine well, the barrel,
the chamber, or any of the components of the firing mechanism of the
firearm.
(4) Any other purely cosmetic feature that does not in any way
alter the dimensions, material, linkage, or functioning of the
magazine well, the barrel, the chamber, or any of the components of
the firing mechanism of the firearm.
(b) Any manufacturer seeking to have a firearm listed under this
section shall provide to the Department of Justice all of the
following:
(1) The model designation of the listed firearm.
(2) The model designation of each firearm that the manufacturer
seeks to have listed under this section.
(3) A statement, under oath, that each unlisted firearm for which
listing is sought differs from the listed firearm only in one or more
of the ways identified in subdivision (a) and is in all other
respects identical to the listed firearm.
(c) The department may, in its discretion and at any time, require
a manufacturer to provide to the department any model for which
listing is sought under this section, to determine whether the model
complies with the requirements of this section.